This god forsaken topic once again....

Speed Demon Zack wrote:I suppose we could allow people to determine their base speed at D rank and then have say a 25% increase per rank. naturally the grading mod would be expected to make the base speed actually make sense right? I mean I'm not gonna have to worry about a 500lbs dude comin' at me at 100mph while unbuffed right?

Agility and reaction time are much harder to quantify then running speed though. Its quite difficult

Cirven wrote:It's not so hard to do speed of each rank and just have it like the HP/Dmg rules as a reference that ppl can use. I had it pretty simple on my site with speed.

Basically it started at D-rank with having 10 m/s(in RL this is the average speed a person can run) and then you add 10 more m/s per rank above that. So it would look something like..

D - 10 m/s
C - 20 m/s
B - 30 m/s
A - 40 m/s
S - 50 m/s
H - 60 m/s

This could be fixed to be lower amounts like only giving 5 more m/s per rank but it's pretty simplistic either way. We need to think less complicated with any rules or guidelines being implemented so that people don't get confused. Learned that in the past with trying to make rules/guidelines.

Lady Red wrote:

Cirven wrote:It's not so hard to do speed of each rank and just have it like the HP/Dmg rules as a reference that ppl can use. I had it pretty simple on my site with speed.

Basically it started at D-rank with having 10 m/s(in RL this is the average speed a person can run) and then you add 10 more m/s per rank above that. So it would look something like..

D - 10 m/s
C - 20 m/s
B - 30 m/s
A - 40 m/s
S - 50 m/s
H - 60 m/s

This could be fixed to be lower amounts like only giving 5 more m/s per rank but it's pretty simplistic either way. We need to think less complicated with any rules or guidelines being implemented so that people don't get confused. Learned that in the past with trying to make rules/guidelines.

These would be the maximum unaided speeds I would personally consider,  for the speed focused sort of characters with experience in sprinting and the like.

A more average would be half that.

While slow deliberate beefcakes that are outright not intended to be fast could be anywhere less from that.


But some simple window of allowance for base speed and a simple progression through the ranks would be ideal,  where players can place themselves where they feel makes sense (With some mod guidance on that point.)

Cirven wrote:
I can agree with that. I still say that with most things there should be a weakness though so hopefully that is kept in mind for any boosts and stuff. Like I can see the speeds exceeding the numbers I put up with good enough weaknesses behind it. I did base the guidelines I made on that idea after all.

Raiza wrote:just because I was making a point, and just becasue my magic is based on a theorm of MMO, doesn't mean I was suggesting making this based on an mmo. In fact if we made a speed stat at all, then it'd be near mmo level, where as a tabletop would simply be 'squares per turn' ect...

Speed is relevant is what I'm saying, to say you can only move so fast yet we have characters the size of houses, they'd obviously move further per post than someone say... 5foot tall.

Hence why just like I said on my prior post, to even try to put in a true stat for speed, you'd have to consider so many things. THis is why my entire argument was speed is relevant, just be fair to your opponent, and if you can't, then try to get some form of a mod in the pvp.

Raiza wrote:just because I was making a point, and just becasue my magic is based on a theorm of MMO, doesn't mean I was suggesting making this based on an mmo. In fact if we made a speed stat at all, then it'd be near mmo level, where as a tabletop would simply be 'squares per turn' ect...

Speed is relevant is what I'm saying, to say you can only move so fast yet we have characters the size of houses, they'd obviously move further per post than someone say... 5foot tall.

Hence why just like I said on my prior post, to even try to put in a true stat for speed, you'd have to consider so many things. THis is why my entire argument was speed is relevant, just be fair to your opponent, and if you can't, then try to get some form of a mod in the pvp.

Lady Red wrote:

Cirven wrote:

Lady Red wrote:

Cirven wrote:It's not so hard to do speed of each rank and just have it like the HP/Dmg rules as a reference that ppl can use. I had it pretty simple on my site with speed.

Basically it started at D-rank with having 10 m/s(in RL this is the average speed a person can run) and then you add 10 more m/s per rank above that. So it would look something like..

D - 10 m/s
C - 20 m/s
B - 30 m/s
A - 40 m/s
S - 50 m/s
H - 60 m/s

This could be fixed to be lower amounts like only giving 5 more m/s per rank but it's pretty simplistic either way. We need to think less complicated with any rules or guidelines being implemented so that people don't get confused. Learned that in the past with trying to make rules/guidelines.

These would be the maximum unaided speeds I would personally consider,  for the speed focused sort of characters with experience in sprinting and the like.

A more average would be half that.

While slow deliberate beefcakes that are outright not intended to be fast could be anywhere less from that.


But some simple window of allowance for base speed and a simple progression through the ranks would be ideal,  where players can place themselves where they feel makes sense (With some mod guidance on that point.)

I can agree with that. I still say that with most things there should be a weakness though so hopefully that is kept in mind for any boosts and stuff. Like I can see the speeds exceeding the numbers I put up with good enough weaknesses behind it. I did base the guidelines I made on that idea after all.

There wouldn't be any fiddling.  It's just the baselines.   Speed enhancements would increase from there normally,  simply providing the base numbers from which you can actually have some meaning behind what 25% speed boost actually means.   25% of 30m/s becoming 37.5m/s for example,  should you need to get technical (For Dueling or when otherwise challenged by a fast thing you need to check to see who or what is faster)

Cirven wrote:
I was more meaning the crazier boost some might try to get like a full 100% boost or something more but yeah I got where you were coming from.

Irina Naginata wrote:I don't think we need to touch speed, people are just being babies over PvE stuff despite the fact that it's PvE where people don't care what happens. And if you do make speed nerfs a thing, I will be mighty upset because it's only going to effect PvP and speed based characters in PvE, and guess what I have a speed based character who doesn't PvP. Why nerf something when you have no need to nerf it because the only place it really matters is in PvP which almost no one does anyway. If it's not broken, don't fix it.

Edit: and for the record you can't even get any good speed buffs in magic anyway cause apparently a D rank can't even get a 20% increase to speed, the highest I've seen is like 5%. Mods wont approve things that make speed characters speed characters, and adding a stat system will basically just kill the idea of speed characters all together. Why make speed characters when you can make a strength character or a glass cannon magic character.