Positions

So besides the lock on guilds, and team restrictions. The other complaint was Guildless mages being able to register as a Wizard Saint. Or independent guild members signing up as either WS or Sinner. So I recommend implementing.....



The Sash System


Basically there are 10 sashes, ranked from 1-10. Number 1 being the strongest, the top dog. These sashes, though arent "Officially" recognized by the magic council. They are recognized by the world as a whole, for being a monster. Every position can be pvp'd for, and actually calls about competition from other mages. For simply wearing the sash. Lets say the site gets crazy popular and all WS and Sinner positions are filled. We can also add 5 more sash, making it a 15 sash system, and legals and dark mages can also attempt to attain a sash.

Just a blue print for an idea. Im sure it could be turned into something sexy for the site.

Mages from independent guilds CANNOT apply for a WS or for sinner.

I have suggested something like this before specifically for mages from independent guilds, but that was shot down. I would like to see something up but I believe it won't happen and it is very unlikely it will.

hmm, i dont see why it would be a problem. the WS and Sinners are positions that are recognized by the Magic Council. These would be positions, recognized by Fiore at large.

Just to shove this out there, independent guilds have basically no advantages. While we technically can do dark, neutral, and legal jobs, we get kicked to dark status if we do any dark jobs, or really dark-ish stuff in general. They're basically the rebellious teenagers - legal guilds with more restrictions. But there is a reason people chose to be in these guilds, and that is mostly due to plot reasons. So while it would be cool to see something like positions for independent guilds, it probably won't happen, and people should be okay with that.

//runs away before getting killed by the suggestion board ppl

I still don't get why Fairy Tail members can do dark jobs (um, wut?) but that's another story for another suggestion. Anyway, back on topic, I don't really think the Wizard Saints and Sinners are even really relevant anymore, last time I checked there were only 2-3 positions filled on each, so it doesn't really seem like anyone cares.

Fernus Darkslayer wrote:I still don't get why Fairy Tail members can do dark jobs (um, wut?) but that's another story for another suggestion. Anyway, back on topic, I don't really think the Wizard Saints and Sinners are even really relevant anymore, last time I checked there were only 2-3 positions filled on each, so it doesn't really seem like anyone cares.

Fairy Tail was turned dark after they allowed a dark mage to join them and refused to hand them in to the MC (or just remove them outright). They now sit as a neutral guild, thus they can do any job.

As for positions, we definitely don't need another set of them right now. Either people have stopped caring or, due to whatever reason, people don't feel they've done enough to deserve a position. I remember them being connected to on-site events at one point when there hadn't been an event for over a year, so most newer people couldn't actually get a position anyway. This then made newer players think 'whats the point in trying?' resulting in the current stagnation of the positions we have.

It also kinda stems to the fact that nothing big is said about anyone with positions. It's a label and nothing more right now. If it were to be bigged up (maybe in a site event? Two birds with one stone here, js) then people might care more about the positions, and those who have them might hold them in better regard than they're currently held.

Last note, while PvP would make sense in theory, in practice it's a bad idea. Again, WS positions and the like have had a PvP style rule attached to it and it was either ignored or just the idea of PvP flopped cos no-one's going to willingly give away their position via RP'd PvP.

I think I've covered everything I came here to cover.

People do want those positions but know they can't get them. The last time I was A rank I applied for WS as there were almost no spots filled and I was told I hadn't done enough. After some digging I was told that even though it says you can apply at A rank you really won't be considered till S rank. So in all honesty I thought "Well that's stupid. Why would I waste my time with trying again if what is listed as a good time to apply is a lie?" I think most people feel that way since they are honestly useless titles in the grand scheme of things.

When I first saw this topic and the replies that were written about the topic of a new position system for wizards aligned with independent guilds and possibly guildless wizards, I was about to write a reply similar to Mashyuu's. It is not like anyone doesn't want the positions, but I have heard individuals talk about not being allowed because they haven't been in a lot of site events. Something that doesn't happen much often. I do think we need a system for all branches of alignments since I am quite sure the council would recognize anyone who could possess immense magical power and has either a good amount of infamy or fame. But we would need to work on the current requirements for wizards to obtain positions either by revamping the systems or by increasing the number of site events. But even doing that requires a bit of revamping work regarding the PVP system since site wide events usually have aspects of PVP within them.

Mashyuu Kumonosu wrote:People do want those positions but know they can't get them. The last time I was A rank I applied for WS as there were almost no spots filled and I was told I hadn't done enough. After some digging I was told that even though it says you can apply at A rank you really won't be considered till S rank. So in all honesty I thought "Well that's stupid. Why would I waste my time with trying again if what is listed as a good time to apply is a lie?" I think most people feel that way since they are honestly useless titles in the grand scheme of things.

Edward Von Aurence wrote:When I first saw this topic and the replies that were written about the topic of a new position system for wizards aligned with independent guilds and possibly guildless wizards, I was about to write a reply similar to Mashyuu's. It is not like anyone doesn't want the positions, but I have heard individuals talk about not being allowed because they haven't been in a lot of site events.  Something that doesn't happen much often. I do think we need a system for all branches of alignments since I am quite sure the council would recognize anyone who could possess immense magical power and has either a good amount of infamy or fame. But we would need to work on the current requirements for wizards to obtain positions either by revamping the systems or by increasing the number of site events. But even doing that requires a bit of revamping work regarding the PVP system since site wide events usually have aspects of PVP within them.

Both of these things are my thoughts as well.

The issue is not that they aren't getting filled. It's that staff aren't allowing them to be filled. Sure, it is supposed to be difficult to get these positions but what is the point of even having these positions if the requirements are stacked way too high for most members to achieve? If staff want these positions to get filled and let these positions see actual traffic, they would be more forgiving.

Another thing is, like Mashyuu said, it says in the Wizard Saint thread that it is possible for one to get a position starting at A-rank. However, there is absolutely no outstanding evidence that staff have any intention of letting that be a thing. If it isn't going to happen, why even leave that comment in the thread?

There are people who want to fill the positions. Staff simply needs to have a desire to fill them honestly.

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Edit: As for a position thing like the "Sash System" proposed, that sounds like an interesting idea, but until this stalemate with staff not wanting to fill positions ends, this probably won't be happening for a long time.

Most people that applies at A rank were right after getting A rank. They've done nothing but A and lower ranked jobs normally. We want you to prove yourself after getting there. Do a bunch of S ranks, stay active in the event see give you. Hero, you would have gotten it had you stayed active in the Navrick one.
We would love people to get the positions. They aren't meant to be easy handouts. Hell, I got denied ishval position with 3 events under my belt and had to go lower and that's with an S rank character.

The problem is most don't want to give the effort we expect to make it there. They sign up for events and then no show or stop posting, they don't want to do S rank jobs, or some just don't do jobs with others or do things in jobs that the MC would frown upon.

Staff don't hate people staff aren't just saying no for no reason. If that was so you would no one would have anything. Just throwing it as us against members is wrong, and is frowned upon as it is not true.

Guildless can apply for positions as well, after all deca was given WS1 before, and it just requires them to be VERY MC friendly and do a bit more than usual. They were always able to get sinner positions as well, so saying guildless get nothing is wrong as well.

If positions start to fill up we could add more spots or change it up a bit. But until we have more active of the higher ranks that won't be needed.

To do events, they need to actually happen. Sadly this is seemingly a requirement and maybe one event happens a year on a site that is non cannon for everyone. So really they make no sense as a requirement. Also if I'm not mistaken, most events fall apart anyway so for that to be a requirement is sort of strange wouldn't you say?

I haven't tried to make an enemy of staff per say. I simply want to ensure that positions are dealt with fairly so that people can at some point obtain them with effort.

Like Mashyuu said, there is a lot of difficulty that comes with requiring site events since they are so rare. This is also viable reasoning behind why it was somewhat unfair that I got no credit for my participation in the Navrick one, despite having been in the hospital during the event and then some. It makes that effort more or less worthless since I joined it so that I could get credit toward Wizard Saint since I genuinely want to get there and put the time in.

I'm fine with everything else. I know I need to do higher-ranked jobs and all that, that's fine. But instead of rehashing what I already said briefly, I'll say this.

I apologize if it sounded like I was making staff into an enemy with what I said. However, there are things that can be done to remedy the difficulty of getting these positions (primarily the once-or-twice-a-year site events). Of course there are 100-year jobs but only S-ranks can take those on, so A-ranks are still for the most part incapable of making the cut under normal circumstances.

Mashyuu Kumonosu wrote:To do events, they need to actually happen. Sadly this is seemingly a requirement and maybe one event happens a year on a site that is non cannon for everyone. So really they make no sense as a requirement. Also if I'm not mistaken, most events fall apart anyway so for that to be a requirement is sort of strange wouldn't you say?

Events do happen. It's just that between all other work that I do I can't make them on my own, which is why I hired an event team shortly after the Navrick event ended. Mini-events are going to be coming out once everyone on staff has completely calmed down from recent events and such. And the reason the events fall apart? Everyone wants it to be super important to their own character, but events can't be like that when sitewide. It's the players, not the event. Only two of the five event topics for the Navrick event were flops, one because players ignored what it was for, and another because out of all that signed up only two ever posted. And if you want more events, you are welcome to PM them to any admin so that the admin staff can hear about it.

Hero Yamamoto wrote:I haven't tried to make an enemy of staff per say. I simply want to ensure that positions are dealt with fairly so that people can at some point obtain them with effort.

Like Mashyuu said, there is a lot of difficulty that comes with requiring site events since they are so rare. This is also viable reasoning behind why it was somewhat unfair that I got no credit for my participation in the Navrick one, despite having been in the hospital during the event and then some. It makes that effort more or less worthless since I joined it so that I could get credit toward Wizard Saint since I genuinely want to get there and put the time in.

I'm fine with everything else. I know I need to do higher-ranked jobs and all that, that's fine. But instead of rehashing what I already said briefly, I'll say this.

I apologize if it sounded like I was making staff into an enemy with what I said. However, there are things that can be done to remedy the difficulty of getting these positions (primarily the once-or-twice-a-year site events). Of course there are 100-year jobs but only S-ranks can take those on, so A-ranks are still for the most part incapable of making the cut under normal circumstances.

I already touched on the events stuff under the quote from Mashyuu. As for your hospital stay, as no one told us until well after it we had no way of knowing what was going on. We can only do out job with what is known to us, and we do appologize for the inconvenience. You weren't the only one that got no rewards/credit for it either, so it was in no way meant to be something purposely against you.

The whole reason we rarely let A ranks get it, as I stated in my first post, is because most of the A rankers that apply have only recently achieved A rank. Without events, we prefer those A ranks to do at least a couple S rank jobs with others or help make an event to be a part of as well. If you guys want more events I can always use a few more people willing to design mini-events for the site. So those watching this topic and wanting more events can send me a pm and I'll choose a few to help out.

If I may, aren't wizard saints just meant to be the top 10 wizards out of the ones that have applied? So wouldn't they just be the top 10 most powerful wizards on the site that are interested in the position?

There is more to it than that Fernus. For instance, it's only mages recognized by the magic council, as worthy. A mage who engages in mass murder would not be qualified, yet doesn't mean he cannot still be one of the top 10 strongest mages in Fiore