Passives Suggestion

Nazaki wrote:

PSA:

Let's get straight into it.

Passives & Abilities can literally do anything, I've seen it all. There's one way to fix this, HAVE MORE THAN ONE MOD LOOK AT AN APP. Specifically spells and shit. Like I have no problem with things being OP, but mods are normal people, and if they don't think something is OP, another mod might. An ability shouldn't allow you to be immune to physical attacks from anybody lower than your rank without you taking more damage from attacks higher than your rank. That's balance. There should be Criteria for each ability you have for weapons and magic. If you're D rank and using lightning manipulation magic, you shouldn't have full immunity to lightning. First of all you're D rank... not even adept at using your magic. Second of all you're not a damn slayer.

Passives/Abilites:

My suggestion is; all users start with 1 passive or ability for their magic. Second and third passives can be acquired by ranking up but caps at 3. D rank = 1 Passive, C rank = 2 passives, etc.. That way people who are D rank can't just start being all magically powerful without working for it, while S ranks will clearly show why they're more powerful. If you want a stronger passive, you can wait until B rank, A rank, or S rank to make your passive. As it stands, I can easily match an A rank so rank really doesn't matter. Not saying that's bad, but lets be realistic a little; Nobody at D rank should be a supergodpowerfulopomg without working to enhance their magic.

Ban things. It's what makes everything equal (I don't even agree with the idea of VIP). You just gonna approve a passive that allows someone to walk through physical objects? That's a damn spell.

There should also be levels to passives. Like okay at D rank you can have a passive that increases your natural mana pool by 25% at the start of the battle, but natural mana regeneration over time should be banned, or a A-S rank passive. Like what? Come on..

More mods per magic app + Passive Restrictions.

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That's all for now folks. I just wanna see some opinions on this, if you think it's stupid let me know, I won't get upset. If you agree, have anything to add feel free to say. There's more, but I'm too lazy to write it. I'll suggest more stuff later.

Passives/Abilites:

My suggestion is; all users start with 1 passive or ability for their magic. Second and third passives can be acquired by ranking up but caps at 3. D rank = 1 Passive, C rank = 2 passives, etc.. That way people who are D rank can't just start being all magically powerful without working for it, while S ranks will clearly show why they're more powerful. If you want a stronger passive, you can wait until B rank, A rank, or S rank to make your passive. As it stands, I can easily match an A rank so rank really doesn't matter. Not saying that's bad, but lets be realistic a little; Nobody at D rank should be a supergodpowerfulopomg without working to enhance their magic.

Ban things. It's what makes everything equal (I don't even agree with the idea of VIP). You just gonna approve a passive that allows someone to walk through physical objects? That's a damn spell.

There should also be levels to passives. Like okay at D rank you can have a passive that increases your natural mana pool by 25% at the start of the battle, but natural mana regeneration over time should be banned, or a A-S rank passive. Like what? Come on..

More mods per magic app + Passive Restrictions.

I only suggested that because I'm on a site that has 2 mods look over things. It helps to make sure things are not overpowered because 1 mod may have missed something, but it may not work everywhere so I understand.

What would make things less "overpowered" would be to have better guidelines on things instead of "Eh.. that sounds right"

Like whats the point of banning space/time magic or making it hard to obtain if I could make a custom magic better?

I understand @Ana. Eris, I kind of understand where you're coming from you're someone who doesn't have OP shit, then you look around like "Oh wow, how'd he/she get that" it kinda gets you upset. Is all I'm saying. lol relax you get to keep your OP things bro.

Nazaki wrote:I understand @Ana. Eris, I kind of understand where you're coming from you're someone who doesn't have OP shit, then you look around like "Oh wow, how'd he/she get that" it kinda gets you upset. Is all I'm saying. lol relax you get to keep your OP things bro.

Eris wrote:

Nazaki wrote:I understand @Ana. Eris, I kind of understand where you're coming from you're someone who doesn't have OP shit, then you look around like "Oh wow, how'd he/she get that" it kinda gets you upset. Is all I'm saying. lol relax you get to keep your OP things bro.

That's like coming into an MMO and calling the level 50's OP,  when they've been grinding and growing for years and you're still just level 10.    

It's not like a moba or first person shooter where everyone has the same junk from square one and what little growth there is doesn't give the early players a significant advantage over the newcomers.   Just like in that long standing MMO if you want to compete with the endgame players,  you have to actually reach endgame yourself.     They're at a dead end,  you're not.  You can grow and reach the ceiling with them and join in.


It doesn't mean they are OP, 99% of the time.  It means you have room to grow.

Anastasia Isayev wrote:

Like whats the point of banning space/time magic or making it hard to obtain if I could make a custom magic better?

Space/Time magic isn't banned.  
Nor is it hard to obtain.  

No idea where you got that from.
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UAs are generally passive.  While you can have "activated" UAs, they are generally considered passives.

While your sentiment is noted, I don't think anything you've really suggested will be used for the site any time soon due to it being too limiting, too time consuming, and it'll piss off far too many people.  Though, I, myself am in agreement with lowering the number of UAs, I'm certain we are a small minority.  But as a member of staff, I can confidently tell you that doing so will be destructive to the site.

Eris wrote:The site would be far from better off,  you're actively taking from people.   EVERYONE has more than three passives let alone players of higher ranks,  Everyone starting off with four and getting more with just 1 rank up (Particularly noting secondary magics gained at C)


That is incredibly destructive to a community and to the enjoyment of everyone but the few who think that's a good idea. (Likely also being those who lose the least). 




Since when has any population enjoyed it when those with authority sweep in and take things you've used,  maybe even require to maintain your way of life.   This is heavy as well,  akin to someone coming through and bulldozing over half your house to make room for a parking lot because they thought "Well you don't need those extra rooms" and there goes your study, library,  spare bath and guest room or more.  

Veil Crane wrote:Anything that will cause a sitewide overhaul of magic is not going to fly.
Yes there may be some OP magics (in truth I don't see many) but punishing every single member on site for it is not the way forward.

We also don't have the staff man power to regrade every apps UAs. Remember, that would be primary magic and secondary magic which can range from 3 UAs at D to 10 at H.


Now let's look at the issue.

UAs aren't passives. Not always. They can be things that are 'active' to some extent. For example, in canon the wind mage Erigor can fly freely as part of his magic. He's not constantly flying, but with a small amount of focus he can fly.

This is a UA of his magic. The reason why it seems spell like is because it is a spell, but its basically such a small amount that it doesn't effect anything.

You've said that immunities and stuff shouldn't be allowed and I agree. I don't like the idea of 100% immunities. At most it should be 50% of equal rank. With up to 75% if the spell is three ranks or more below you.

Things like elemental body (as Juvia has) which makes her immune to physical blows they have to balance that with weaknesses e.g. it only activates if they are conciously aware of the blow, they take extra damage from x element, it drains a small amount of MP. The staff have guidelines on this.


UAS do have some rank to some extent. A H rank with a UA will have a stronger UA then an D rank. For example, all of mine mention scaling to rank. Like my mist that lets me map out an area starts off with a range at D rank and it increases each rank to give me more range.

I don't think I have seen a truly OP app. All of them have some balance. There may be on occasion a couple of UAs that are like 'err....' but its rare .


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Now let's look at PvP combat which seems to be where this has come from. On what planet are two people with equal level of magic equal in combat? Some people's magic is going to be more suited to taking on certain types of opponents then others. Some people are also going to be more experienced in combat even if they are D rank. Some people are also going to better rpers.

Do you know why there isn't a huge difference between D ranks and C ranks or even B ranks? Because this is a roleplay site and we want things to come down to RP skill and how people use that magic in creative ways. Sure I can throw a lightning bolt and that looks flashy, but what if I see you stand in a puddle. I can throw the lightning at that puddle and shock you.

That being said there is very little PVP except in events and the site is not focused on PVP at all. You need to stop thinking of magic as 'oh i need to be equal to them' and instead just create something that is fun.