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    Post by Hero Yamamoto 6th September 2016, 11:34 pm

    I have seen discussions on this both in the chatbox and in Skype group chats, so I'm stating it here. I would like to suggest that we add different ways of earning said positions. From what I have heard from members as well as some staff, site-wide evens have not even been in the works for a long time which basically translates to "since site events aren't a thing, nobody can become a Saint" and at that point, it really isn't fair.

    Instead of site events, make it events in general? And then add in info regarding being able to use 10-year and 100-year jobs as viable means to really obtaining a position. I know I want my character to eventually become a Saint, but as things stand with the current stated rules, it will never happen, ever.

    People who want to add their two cents may absolutely do so as long as it is appropriate, constructive and pertains to the subject matter.


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    Post by Guest 7th September 2016, 4:33 am

    If I'm correct, and Wizard Saints are anything like the Eleven Sinners, you can apply for them with enough information and gain one of the positions. Like Eris signed up for Eleven Sinners when requirements stated 2 event participations were needed and she still received the position.

    There are also a few events in work if I'm hearing the rumors correctly.
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    Post by Shard 7th September 2016, 5:47 am

    I think, based on your example Marshy, it might be worth just changing the requirements listed on the pages so they are aware that there are ways other than event participation to apply.


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    Post by Guest 7th September 2016, 6:12 am

    It's already under the requirements that if your character does something that impacts the site indirectly or directly, it can reduce how big of a role you need in an event. On the other hand, an admin can bypass that rule of needing an event. It's requirement #6. Not sure why it says "it'll hardly happen if at all" when we barely have events, but I can't edit those pages. You can also duel a saint to get their position, but I'm not sure if that's for people who are already wizard saints, only, or if someone applying for that position can duel them.
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    Post by Hero Yamamoto 7th September 2016, 7:12 am

    Then would it be acceptable to suggest that an administrator to at least add a little extra information regarding gaining said positions? For instance, I wanted my character to be part of the Saints at A-rank, but as it stands with the current set-up, that feels impossible. Especially since A-ranks still can't access the really IC-impacting jobs. Yes, we can challenge other Saints, but there are only 3 active Saints on the site which means there is no one really to challenge.

    It kind of forces one to be at least S-rank for any of the positions since only at S-ran and above is one able to complete jobs of really big IC significance.


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    Post by Eris 7th September 2016, 8:02 am

    Well in the rules it says that the event rule can be bypassed in "Rare cases".   I was riding on that when I applied for Death because of the fact that there had not been a Harbinger in so long.  The last active Harbinger I can remember was Constantine,  and that was like over two years ago.  Now I'm in.


    But I would love to see events in general be considered,  but only because Site Events are extremely limited and when you do see a Site Event there is often, especially for dark mages,  no room for your character in the scene.   Like,  wtf would Eris be doing during Rising Tides?  During Priory?  As if she'd bend over and let the Priory have their way,  and as if she'd waltz around actively helping save the cities either.    Dark Mages are in particular in a rough spot when it comes to events,  while most legal mages wont usually have an issue with them.   I can't recall even a single event on this site in all my time being here as an older member that would really suit most dark mage concepts I can think of that I'd want to play.




    Another thing is that multiple event concepts could and should be OPEN SOURCE.  You know,  actually have input from members instead of tossing them out at one's own leisure.   VOTING for things on this site,  gasp, what a suggestion,  that members actually have a say in something.  Multiple event concepts,  each with member input,  voted on which becomes the next Site Event,  or simply allowed as events in general.   Meanwhile there's no reason that only one needs to be active at a time,  different events can occur in different locations with different value and scale to them.  


    Even an Events section entirely, like with this Suggestions section,  for posting member-made events that can receive attention and become official,  or become minor events like an Interest topic to see who'd want to join you for that sort of topic and plan things out with one another.




    However,  scarcity,  rarity,  these things are not bad so long as it is possible to achieve.   If it was suddenly too easy to get them then the positions would just be filled and not as impactful. 


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    Post by Hero Yamamoto 7th September 2016, 8:18 am

    Of course! I'd still want it to be challenging to achieve these positions. I simply believe that, as it stands, having Site Events as a main requirement when there hasn't even been one in a long time (haven't seen one in the 3 and a half months I've been here) isn't an OK thing to let be.

    Under these circumstances it shouldn't be a super rare occurrence, for instance, for someone to be approved for a position without having participated in Site Events, as Eris was able to accomplish.

    Just as well, if A-class characters are able to be enrolled in these kind of positions, why is it that its built so that only S-rank characters can really get them? I'm not saying it is impossible to do so, but judging from what has been said to other people who applied, requirements like needing to have completed 10-year and 100-year jobs are only possible with S-class+ characters (unless that is only for the Gods of Ishval, in which case that is understandable).

    Also, things like associating with several different people (which I have seen admins write as requirements to specific people to get a position) should be added to the page, simply for the fact that nobody knows that even has any bearing until they are told such.


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