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    Post by Ardere Kasai 19th August 2016, 3:01 pm

    I'm sorry but I've seen the entire anime and read all of the manga, and the MC actually does make laws in Fiore and runs things WAY more than the King. The king literally sits on his ass. I can point out to you specific decisions, laws, and regulations the MC has put in place, I can reference nothing the King has done. 

    This is a direct, word for word quote from the wiki on the MC "As the main ruling body of the entire Magic world, the Council possesses almost utmost control over it, acting as a leading government of sort."

    Maybe not non magical people. But to say the MC is not a governing body OF SORTS, is ignorant. 

    And if bad stuff has been happening under the MC's rule, then it's been happening under the Monarchy's rule too, so everyone would hate them. We might have not referenced the King like we did the MC, but he has always existed. Therefore your reasoning to do away with the MC interferes with your reasoning to give more focus to the king. 

    That's all I'm saying.

    So we might as well redo both. Yeah?


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    Post by Invidia 19th August 2016, 3:38 pm

    Again, I'm sticking to my point. You quoted it from the Wiki. "As the main ruling body of the entire Magic world, the Council possesses almost utmost control over it, acting as a leading government of sort."

    In my previous post, I labelled and acknowledged it. They're part of the magical community. Attempting to call me ignorant and yet if you would re-read my post, I never said they weren't a governing body. I specifically said they were of the magical community.

    Another point to be added. Majority of the Magic Council are all-powerful, but in the end, they don't do much more than the King. The very few appearances we've seen of Magic Council members show them discussing and literally nothing else. The only exception would be Warren, the tree ojisan. They work well with Rune Knights under them. Since the removal of Rune Knights upon this forum, I only see it fit to take away the Council too. After all, what are the Council members going to do without their loyal dogs?

    I must ask again. What purpose does the Magic Council serve? I know what they're supposed to do, but the question is have they actually done it? I've tried my best to dig up previous posts or anything relating to the Council on this site, plot-wise. Nothing comes up. Sure, you can say it's because my information pool is so limited because I only recently joined the site. I agree too. So I asked around and despite all that the Magic Council did in the anime/manga, they've done nothing here.

    Anyways, call me stubborn if you must, but you're not being very persuading with your words in why the Magic Council must be kept. So my opinion stays firm; unless they're going to be vital in the near future, I don't see why removing it is a problem. If anything, the removal could be temporary.


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    Post by Ardere Kasai 19th August 2016, 3:43 pm

    My point earlier was the MC didn't have much said about it or used IC. You're not wrong, they haven't done crap on this site. But they should. And it would be beneficial if they did, at least in my opinion. But yeah they don't do jack xD 

    I think that should change. We could use them to create controversial laws, cause problems between dark or legal guilds, or maybe even solve them. It would just be nice to have someone to blame for problems or fix them rather than have no governing bodies at all. Hell, add one npc that is the King to this, that way we can have the King and the MC be rp'ed if need be. If staff or new peeps can handle these six, they can handle the one extra. At least, I'd like to hope so. 

    Hell, they can be used in events. A big part of my Bosco Event was going to involve the MC, and if we had semi-active npc's it would make a hell of a lot more sense and be easier when events like that happen.

    I might be wrong, that's just what I think.


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    Post by Knight of Zero 19th August 2016, 3:46 pm

    Would like to point out RK weren't removed; they are just not a playable faction. Can still be used as npcs atm.


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    Post by Kirahunter 19th August 2016, 7:36 pm

    The site still stands to gain considerably plot wise from a magic council. They are a considerable plot force in the manga and open up plenty of possibilities for events. More complicated stories, more interesting stories, can be told when we live in a more concrete world with a better defined setting.

    The active existence and doing stuff of a magic council would work towards that. We can even justify the resurgance with the GK purge event. With the "corrupt," aspects cut out by the Garou Knights the Magic Council could make an IC return to relevance with a clean slate. It has too much potential to throw out the window.

    If we just have a defined team of people to handle the MC NPCs and give them clear cut responcibilities like those of moderators I think we will see good things start to happen with them.



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    Post by Shard 20th August 2016, 2:58 am

    How about rather than a magic council as in canon we actually work out how Fiore is governed as a whole and perhaps set it up as a proper government?

    So we have the king as the top point perhaps. Then we have various ministries beneath him. One of these could be the new magic council and could literally be the 'Department of Magical affairs'.

    We could then use NPCs for the heads of these departments so Minister of Magic, Minister of Transport, the King himself and then allow peoples PCs to become members of those departments.

    We could do the same for other nations as well.


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    Post by Anastasia Isayev 20th August 2016, 11:09 am

    I would LOVE a more defined setting for this site. Because, as of right now, the government is just here as set pieces with no real relevance. A more defined government structure (and even some laws) would be phenomenal.


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    Post by Eris 20th August 2016, 1:24 pm

    Ardere Kasai wrote:I'm sorry but I've seen the entire anime and read all of the manga, and the MC actually does make laws in Fiore and runs things WAY more than the King. The king literally sits on his ass. I can point out to you specific decisions, laws, and regulations the MC has put in place, I can reference nothing the King has done. 

    This is a direct, word for word quote from the wiki on the MC "As the main ruling body of the entire Magic world, the Council possesses almost utmost control over it, acting as a leading government of sort."

    Maybe not non magical people. But to say the MC is not a governing body OF SORTS, is ignorant. 

    And if bad stuff has been happening under the MC's rule, then it's been happening under the Monarchy's rule too, so everyone would hate them. We might have not referenced the King like we did the MC, but he has always existed. Therefore your reasoning to do away with the MC interferes with your reasoning to give more focus to the king. 

    That's all I'm saying.

    So we might as well redo both. Yeah?

    They don't control Fiore,  they control mages.   You quoted it yourself.   They make laws for only 20% of the people,  and only regarding magical affairs,  while even that 20% is bound by the same laws that the King makes for the remaining 80%.


    The thing is that all those problems are directly the Magic Council's responsibility and their failure.  The King has every right to rebuke them and take the command and establish his own form of council.


    Knight of Zero wrote:Would like to point out RK weren't removed; they are just not a playable faction. Can still be used as npcs atm.

    This is a Roleplaying site.   A writing site,  where creative freedoms allow you to explore and fill out a world with your stories and characters.   Banning anyone from following a faction is anti-fun,  and anti-roleplaying.   If no players can write for a faction it may as well not exist,  as it has no major relevance or substance.


    Kirahunter wrote:The site still stands to gain considerably plot wise from a magic council. They are a considerable plot force in the manga and open up plenty of possibilities for events. More complicated stories, more interesting stories, can be told when we live in a more concrete world with a better defined setting.

    The active existence and doing stuff of a magic council would work towards that. We can even justify the resurgance with the GK purge event. With the "corrupt," aspects cut out by the Garou Knights the Magic Council could make an IC return to relevance with a clean slate. It has too much potential to throw out the window.

    If we just have a defined team of people to handle the MC NPCs and give them clear cut responcibilities like those of moderators I think we will see good things start to happen with them.



    The Garou Knights work for the King,  not the Magic Council.   Them carving out the corruption is only more reason for the King to assume command and establish his own authority over the magical presence in Fiore.   Which could of course mean a new division of government to manage them,  but not The Magic Council.  Just a council of magic.    


    Why would the King put up with the forign power of the Magic Council when they keep failing his country?   It's time for him to step up and show the muscle behind the monarchy which would make for an infinitely more compelling story than just "The Magic Council is back (as npcs...)... Again!"


    Shard wrote:How about rather than a magic council as in canon we actually work out how Fiore is governed as a whole and perhaps set it up as a proper government?

    So we have the king as the top point perhaps. Then we have various ministries beneath him. One of these could be the new magic council and could literally be the 'Department of Magical affairs'.

    We could then use NPCs for the heads of these departments so Minister of Magic, Minister of Transport, the King himself and then allow peoples PCs to become members of those departments.

    We could do the same for other nations as well.


    All of which can be managed by a King's Claim,  no more The Magic Council,  in with the King's own council or otherwise establishment to take on the role in the new reform with the King severing affiliations with the foreign Magic Council claiming an independent right to rule.


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    Post by Ardere Kasai 20th August 2016, 2:20 pm

    I never said they solely control Fiore. But they do make laws for the magical world, therefore they are A governing body. Not THE governing body. But they are still key to the running of the country. Even though not all people are mages, most things in Fiore run on magic, not tech. My point is they are still essential to the world. And we rp mages. Therefore they are key to us. We're not the 80%. We're the 20%. 

    And like I said. We can still do both the king AND the MC. What's wrong with that? That's how it's supposed to work anyways. Even if the King may be above the MC. That's like saying we should kick out the Senate but keep the President. I know it's not an exact comparison, but it's close enough to convey my point.


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