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    Post by Daddy 9th August 2015, 8:01 pm

    So I didn’t want to actually start suggesting stuff, but I feel something kinda needs to be pointed out. We have guilds that are really small right now, and lacking in members. So it kind needs to come to certain guilds closing their doors to new members oooooorrrrrrr do something new.

    There was something that was used on my old forum where instead of closing out villages for things, we provided incentives to people. There would be things a kin to jutsu slots (Spell slots) or perhaps a rank up. These perks would only be used for like new characters over all, not a character that would leave their guild for another. In all reality, we could give away like strong weapons, or jewels. Just a suggestion. Don’t fire at me or anyshing.


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    Post by Almyra Bys 9th August 2015, 8:02 pm

    Fires the Death Star laser at Vexel

    Good idea though. Some incentive for people to join not BR or ST.


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    Post by Kite Wilhelm 9th August 2015, 8:03 pm

    I concur


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    Post by Lexa Grimoire 9th August 2015, 8:41 pm

    The doors to guilds have been closed before, and I believe another closing is in the works.


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    Post by Daddy 9th August 2015, 8:44 pm

    Closing can kill plot. If someone wants to still join the guild even though they don't get special shit, go let them. This is more along the lines of allowing people to still join these guilds if they have some kind of plot set up, but will give others the incentive


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    Post by Rosetta Crawford 11th August 2015, 12:14 am

    Or ya know...the guildmaster's themselves could offer perks? They do have huge bank accounts from the guild scoreboards and stuff.

    Though I suppose then the active guilds could do the same....hmmm.....though they don't need to. Its....a difficult one, but the concept is a good one. I like it.


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    Post by Daddy 11th August 2015, 12:28 am

    You're 100% right. Guilds can in fact offer this on their own, but wait there more to what I need to say. You have guilds that are pretty much empty. LC and SM are nearly non-existent right now. There needs to be something to get those guilds that have no limelight at all some attention that would cause them to grow. You said guilds can do this, but the problem with that is the same thing I kinda just mentioned Zack. These smaller guilds might not be able to afford handing out jewels or things of that nature.


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    Post by Elijah 11th August 2015, 12:41 am

    As a guildmaster, i can say that this is a great idea and also, not all guilds have massive bank accounts. The jewels of which will most likely go for guild upgrades anyway.

    And about closing, it's quite a bad idea, if a guild doesn't have a stable active member group. This means only the incredibly active guilds (Sabertooth & Black Rose) or guilds which have a limit of members (Tartarus) can really close. Closing down smaller guilds than them, like Lamia Scale, Basilisk Fang, Savage Skull or Blue Pegasus, would cause this to be counterproductive to them and eventually lead to some of those guilds to become the lowest. I honestly wouldn't mind closing BF soon, just so guilds with a smaller amount of members got new people into them, but at the same time, BF isn't as big as some other guilds.

    So yeah, incentive is much much better than closing and well, if the guild master doesn't want it, the guild won't close. But incentive is something every guild master would like to give members, but not all can do it out of their pocket, if they can't just bring in more jewels. So i support Vexel's idea fully.
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    Post by Almyra Bys 11th August 2015, 12:50 am

    Perhaps the larger guilds could even be given something for closing when they have a very large amount of members. Nothing huge, but some extra jewels in the vault to make up for not gaining more members or something.


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    Post by Kirahunter 11th August 2015, 5:18 am

    As a Guild Master I am fully against this idea. I will absolutely refuse to cooperate with any guild closings or membership incentives. While I'm aware that Fairy Tail at present would be one of the small guilds benefiting from larger guilds closing I still do not like it.

    People are to join the guild that represents values and ideas that most resonate with their character. I don't want someone in Fairy Tail who would have been better off in Sabertooth even if it means having more active members.

    Besides closings are unfair to members deciding the fate of new members just because of their join date. If I came here wanting to join Sabertooth, but found it was closed and I had to go somewhere else. Well I'd be up in arms.

    So guild closings rub me wrong. But what I hate more would be guild joining incentives.

    I refuse to bribe members with jewels or items to get them to join. I want and only want members who would join Fairy Tail of their own free will! This policy might dwindle my member count, but it will generate more permanent members.

    Members who are bought or forced will not be as loyal, dedicated or active. They cannot be expected to stay in the guild for the long haul.

    =-= if small guilds want members, earn them dangit.


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    Post by King Zenshin 11th August 2015, 5:20 am

    Kirahunter wrote:As a Guild Master I am fully against this idea. I will absolutely refuse to cooperate with any guild closings or membership incentives. While I'm aware that Fairy Tail at present would be one of the small guilds benefiting from larger guilds closing I still do not like it.

    People are to join the guild that represents values and ideas that most resonate with their character. I don't want someone in Fairy Tail who would have been better off in Sabertooth even if it means having more active members.

    Besides closings are unfair to members deciding the fate of new members just because of their join date. If I came here wanting to join Sabertooth, but found it was closed and I had to go somewhere else. Well I'd be up in arms.

    So guild closings rub me wrong. But what I hate more would be guild joining incentives.

    I refuse to bribe members with jewels or items to get them to join. I want and only want members who would join Fairy Tail of their own free will! This policy might dwindle my member count, but it will generate more permanent members.

    Members who are bought or forced will not be as loyal, dedicated or active. They cannot be expected to stay in the guild for the long haul.

    =-= if small guilds want members, earn them dangit.

    Seconded. I had to do it with ST when it had like, 3 members so why can't the other guilds do it now? It's about putting yourself out there to the newbs


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    Post by Lumina Rubyscale 11th August 2015, 5:25 am

    Lol guys i hate to break it to you but BR is not as large as you think, we have been losing members to ST almost weekly.


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    Post by King Zenshin 11th August 2015, 5:55 am

    Lumina Rubyscale wrote:Lol guys i hate to break it to you but BR is not as large as you think, we have been losing members to ST almost weekly.

    That's ironic


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    Post by Lumina Rubyscale 11th August 2015, 5:56 am

    I will agree to close BR's doors so long as ST and BP do as well. i think that is reasonable no?

    Edit: I have just closed BR with the constraint anyone in the process of making a char for BR will still be allowed ot join
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    Post by Chelvaric 11th August 2015, 9:42 am

    euh it is more that lc and om are just a lack of active guild masters or members that recruit people on cb or ask people to join there guild. nor are there storys well known. maybe if we help them more on these parts those guilds could actualy become active.


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    Post by weretiger5411 11th August 2015, 11:17 am

    Well as a newbie, I was tempted to go to sabertooth due to thinking I would have more interactions there with my charecter but still went with Fairy tail due to new people showing up there and the guild master was active as well. So activity definitely attracts more.


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    Post by Daddy 11th August 2015, 12:42 pm

    Kirahunter wrote:As a Guild Master I am fully against this idea. I will absolutely refuse to cooperate with any guild closings or membership incentives. While I'm aware that Fairy Tail at present would be one of the small guilds benefiting from larger guilds closing I still do not like it.

    People are to join the guild that represents values and ideas that most resonate with their character. I don't want someone in Fairy Tail who would have been better off in Sabertooth even if it means having more active members.

    Besides closings are unfair to members deciding the fate of new members just because of their join date. If I came here wanting to join Sabertooth, but found it was closed and I had to go somewhere else. Well I'd be up in arms.

    So guild closings rub me wrong. But what I hate more would be guild joining incentives.

    I refuse to bribe members with jewels or items to get them to join. I want and only want members who would join Fairy Tail of their own free will! This policy might dwindle my member count, but it will generate more permanent members.

    Members who are bought or forced will not be as loyal, dedicated or active. They cannot be expected to stay in the guild for the long haul.

    =-= if small guilds want members, earn them dangit.


    Well closing doors really isn’t my idea, but more of something that I hear is often done to spread members out. Personally, there are the smaller guilds out there that I assume after so long without activity would consider dead. I want to take a moment to point out Mori. The guild has two members over all that I can see that are remotely active. I’m not even entirely sure on the point of the guild leader. People need a reason to join some of these guilds to bring them back.

    It’s also funny you bring up bribing members, and someone else brought up they’re losing members


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    The reason no one stays in Black rose is because you lack the moral to keep the guild going. I’ve seen it myself, and others tell me it’s still going on. Not to mention you had to bribe most of your members so you’d win the scoreboard.  Proof of this claim I’m going to be polite with this. Unless you have something that is relevant to this topic, keep out of it. K? K. Thanks.


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    Post by Lekuna 11th August 2015, 12:51 pm

    If they don't have active guild masters, do they deserve the members?


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    Post by Daddy 11th August 2015, 1:10 pm

    Giving incentives could inspire people to go to that guild and bring it back. Let me tell ya a story from where this happened. I used to run a Kage on another forum. This character was made at first as a character from incentives. It wasn't nothing special, but I ended up taking over a dead village, and making it one of the hot spots on the forum. It's a good idea to try here tbh.

    To be honest that little attitude is a reason alot of guilds won't have members. Nearly every idea deserves a bit of shine on it. Just because a GM has an issue or something where they can't be active for whatever reason doesn't mean they shouldn't attempt to have members. I was told by an admin the other night if a guild member proves themselves worthy, they can be promoted to Gm. So like, yeah.


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    Post by Lekuna 11th August 2015, 4:04 pm

    An active guild should have a gm. The members will join for the incentive not the actual guild. If they arent active, it reflects on their guild


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    Post by FeitanKazeshini 11th August 2015, 8:41 pm

    I've made cases on this before as Ryo, and Zhu. The point is however that certain large guilds need to close their doors. Also the whole Guildless system needs to be done away with as well. There is truly no point in magi being without guilds. The guild I run is neutral and we don't restrict what our guild members do. We barely require them to tolerate each other. The point is that there is a lot to be done. Also how does one recommend that the guilds who are small get recognition? the majority of the fan base only will acknowledge the guilds they've seen or read about.

    The neutral guilds, and some of the legal guilds are not popular, and thus they will never be wanted by the public. Also smaller guilds won't be popular simply because they are small. You see this in MMOs all the time. Smaller guilds never have a chance because the public at large wants to be around a lot of people, and also look to steal the benefits that come with larger guilds and groups. Thus it is very unlikely that the smaller guilds will ever be able to really grow in numbers.

    Also with certain things going on with the site it seems to me that there have been a large number of people "jumping ship" as it were. How are we supposed to compete with not only that, but also the unpopularity that comes with the public not knowing us, and us being small.

    None of what I am saying is new information, and I've spoken out on it before. Still there is nothing wrong with incentive for active players, and there is nothing wrong with incentive to join smaller guilds. The guilds themselves can be in charge of that kind of thing, also it's what every business, game, and group has always done in order to keep members, customers, players, whatever. So the argument that they won't stay is an absurd one. True you can never trust the loyalty of those who are bought, but that's not what we want. We just want activity. If they go inactive then what the hell does it matter if we bribed them.


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    Post by Tuna 11th August 2015, 10:30 pm

    King Zenshin wrote:Seconded. I had to do it with ST when it had like, 3 members so why can't the other guilds do it now? It's about putting yourself out there to the newbs

    After thinking about this, I agree. As a guild master of a guild of which the members repeatedly went inactive or swapped, I never received any special treatment. And now I'm doing fine because I looked it through. And if I can do it without quitting, they can too.


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    Post by Lexa Grimoire 11th August 2015, 11:34 pm

    Vexel wrote:

    Lumina Rubyscale wrote:Lol guys i hate to break it to you but BR is not as large as you think, we have been losing members to ST almost weekly.

    The reason no one stays in Black rose is because you lack the moral to keep the guild going. I’ve seen it myself, and others tell me it’s still going on. Not to mention you had to bribe most of your members so you’d win the scoreboard.  Proof of this claim I’m going to be polite with this. Unless you have something that is relevant to this topic, keep out of it. K? K. Thanks.

    First off, you misspelled "morale" either that or you've used "moral" in the wrong context.

    Secondly, and more importantly, you have no claim to say who can and who can't post on a thread. I'm going to be blunt with this... If you can't handle that, stop posting on the suggestion thread. K? K. Thanks.

    Thirdly, if a GM wants to offer a reward to the person who puts the most points on the board, in order to actually get on the board, that's all on them. In face, I applaud that since that's 50$ coming out of the GM's personal wallet. As I recall, the winner of that reward also turned it down. As I also recall, all active BR members received a Lacrima Milk from our GM. I got one, and I had 0 points on that board. Which I also support, even though I'm probably not gonna use it, because the funds are going to the guild's active members to help them get stronger.

    Addressing the first part of that quote, YOU left for that reason, doesn't mean others left. You felt a lack of morale, or "moral" if your illiterate, and decided to leave. Other people left for other reasons, and until you can show that the ones who leave, left because they didn't feel the GM had morale, or "moral", I will assume you're being biased against BR.

    ~~Back to the topic at hand.~~

    I'm agreeing with KH, that if a guild wants to have more members then it needs to get them because that guild's code corresponds with the code of the RP'r.

    I'm agreeing with Lekuna on the fact that if the GM isn't active, then there's no reason for them to have guild members. And I'm adding my own comment on the matter, giving incentives to join a guild is kind of baiting people to leave their current guild if the incentive is anything of value. IF they do put an incentive, let it be something insignificant like 1k jewel, or a free avi from the GM or some crap like that. I'm not entirely against incentives, but let's not making it overly impressive...


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    Post by Rosetta Crawford 12th August 2015, 4:37 am

    LC are new so I wouldn't expect them to have a huge member base.
    SM, sadly, seem to be quite inactive from what i've seen. I've personally not seen Daemon Spade do anything and I don't even know if he has an approved magic or not.

    Those guilds need to do stuff to make themselves a bit well known.

    Also I don't know if its just me, but I personally don't want to join a guild whose name I can't pronounce. Just have SM change their names to be Sleeping Forest which is what their name translates to, but that might just be my opinion.

    The big guilds don't need to close and shouldn't close. The smaller guilds need to do something to make them worthwhile. Or make them attractive. Plot, mini-events etc. Or just have the current members be active.


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    Post by Kirahunter 12th August 2015, 7:47 am

    Let guilds do guilds!

    "All guilds deserve a chance," -vague paraphrase of what Vexel said above

    SM had their chance. They started at the same time as BF and had a decent member base for a while too. They had every opportunity Basilisk Fang did and BF turned out just fine. SM however ran itself into the ground and until they get a guild master who will set them back on the right path, that is where they are to stay.

    The management of guilds is the business of of guild masters and guild master's exclusively.  Shuhei raised BP from a burning pit in the ground with nothing but his personality and skill as a rper, I raised LS from a nuclear pit in the ground with nothing but my dashing looks and loud mouth, Zenshin brought ST from the dumps to the tops, Lyserg brought the TT trainwreak back into good grace, Elijah made BF go from a flash in the pan to a steady successful guild, and then I've brought FT from 2 members to 5 so that has gotta count for something.

    Guild Masters have the power to make or break their guilds. Staff intervention is for nerds.



    FeitanKazeshini wrote:I've made cases on this before as Ryo, and Zhu. The point is however that certain large guilds need to close their doors.  Also the whole Guildless system needs to be done away with as well. There is truly no point in magi being without guilds. The guild I run is neutral and we don't restrict what our guild members do. We barely require them to tolerate each other. The point is that there is a lot to be done. Also how does one recommend that the guilds who are small get recognition? the majority of the fan base only will acknowledge the guilds they've seen or read about.

    The neutral guilds, and some of the legal guilds are not popular, and thus they will never be wanted by the public. Also smaller guilds won't be popular simply because they are small. You see this in MMOs all the time. Smaller guilds never have a chance because the public at large wants to be around a lot of people, and also look to steal the benefits that come with larger guilds and groups. Thus it is very unlikely that the smaller guilds will ever be able to really grow in numbers.

    Also with certain things going on with the site it seems to me that there have been a large number of people "jumping ship" as it were. How are we supposed to compete with not only that, but also the unpopularity that comes with the public not knowing us, and us being small.

    None of what I am saying is new information, and I've spoken out on it before. Still there is nothing wrong with incentive for active players, and there is nothing wrong with incentive to join smaller guilds. The guilds themselves can be in charge of that kind of thing, also it's what every business, game, and group has always done in order to keep members, customers, players, whatever. So the argument that they won't stay is an absurd one. True you can never trust the loyalty of those who are bought, but that's not what we want. We just want activity. If they go inactive then what the hell does it matter if we bribed them.



    Excuses. =-= you wanna make it big? MAKE IT big. Guilds are not handed success on a silver platter. They earn it and fight for it. Don't even think of saying I don't know what it is like to be small. Ask anyone want LS was before Zuo Cii.  The success of guilds is not predetermined or decided by a random happenstance of fate. People make it happen. Put yourself out there and get some members. Start with a few, then a lot will follow.

    Also on the removal of the guildless system I must say firmly and proudly "Hell no!" The guildless system is an important choice for members. Just as in American political elections we are allowed to vote none of the above, members should be able to choose none of the above. We can't make people like guilds. Further more they are a great indicator of how guilds on the site as a whole are doing. When guildlessness spikes we as GMs can see that we are doing something wrong and we need to increase the appeal of our guilds.

    As a bottom line I am generally insulted by your post. You dismiss the ability of guild masters and accredit our success to fortune. You yourself struggle and you assume therefor that it is entirely because of forces beyond your control that everyone else surely must experience.

    I apologize if I am being harsh, but I feel very strongly about this subject.


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