Lineages

Okay so with the advent of new rules and character perks, I think it may be time for the current lineages to be looked at and balanced to fit this new system. Lineages were meant to be one extra power that would help you, but they don't scale with character rank well. Id like to with permission of people and working with fellow devs, mods and admins to take apart the current lineages and balance them. It may not be a top priority, but its something to do right?

And for love of god try to make Gold Rush not a troll lineage

I like this idea. Some lineages are broken as hell while others are... Well... Fool's gold.

I will support this, even though i think that some of the lineages are okay still and most don't provide that great bonuses either or well are like Gold Rush. So yeah, i support this, even though it may be a lot of work.

I support this highly. Some of the lineages don't really provide anything worthwhile in the way of a bonus. While other's seem to provide one super powerful ability that honestly seems more like it is multiple abilities wrapped into one.

I support this and I will offer my help.

There's a lot of lineages that have too much power, while others have none.

Hell, even some don't make sense... For example Armored Beast... WHAT THE HELL GETS BUFFED?

But yeah, I offer my helps. (Forgot to add that in.)

I have been wanting a chance to tear apart the lineages. Gimme.

I agree totally with this and would help if I can.
And Keseki, I completely understand you, Armored beast is one example, it seas it will passively give you endurance and... I think defense too (im not sure) but it could at least contain how much, there are a lot of lineages that actually have no specific ability, they may contain something about it, but it really doesn't specify the ability. I wouldn't use mine as an example completely, i mean, mine is complete about the vanishing ability, but it seas nothing about the passive ability, it seas greater stamina, but how much, can i fight the same even if i have 0 mp? or what.
Many linages are like this one, they don't specify.
And by the way, Kaseki, after reading what you wrote and looking at your lineage, you really maid me laugh xD

Heeroface when there are some lineages that make you go "Holy shit that is a full primary magic on it's own" and others that make you go "does that even matter?" There is a bit of a problem. It would be okay if there was something you could do to get one of the awesome ones. Maybe pay jewels to access a higher pool of lineages. But it's purely luck based. A lazy drunk animal abuser who barely knew how to read could walk into our site and roll the best lineage in the book and have done nothing more to earn it then the literary genius who makes millions selling best selling novels to fund orphanages who rolled Gold Rush. In other words it isn't fair.

Taking apart and fixing all the lineages? Go for it! X3

Heero doesn't want it to happen because he knows that monkey king would be nerfed.

I do have a question though:

where do custom lineages fall into this? They're always reviewed to make sure they aren't completely insane but they also cost money so a little extra oomph is expected.

Fixing the lineages sounds good since there are plenty that are unclear on the amount they boost

Hiro Villenn wrote:I do have a question though:

where do custom lineages fall into this? They're always reviewed to make sure they aren't completely insane but they also cost money so a little extra oomph is expected.

Well, I don't really think we can or even should change thous. If you pay, its alright, but what I agree with is that there are many linages that aren't balanced and some other that aren't even a linages that actually gives you something.

HirokoD wrote:

Hiro Villenn wrote:I do have a question though:

where do custom lineages fall into this? They're always reviewed to make sure they aren't completely insane but they also cost money so a little extra oomph is expected.

Well, I don't really think we can or even should change thous. If you pay, its alright, but what I agree with is that there are many linages that aren't balanced and some other that aren't even a linages that actually gives you something.

Real quick, just because someone pays doesn't mean they get to be OP. But Hiro's right, the custom lineages have already been checked by mods/admins, so they should be left untouched.

Well apparently I forgot to address or make some things clear even though I've repeated some of it.

-Not all lineages are meant to be equal in power, if they were there would be no point in rolling for a lineage. It's a luck based system, otherwise we could just have everybody choose their lineages. Also there would be no reason for the 200,000 jewel re-roll if every single lineage was a good one.

-I already have an administrator balancing and working out the lineages. It's not as simple as everybody makes it out to be - so please don't push.

-Custom lineages are always balanced and checked before added. Some have even taken days for us to look over, they aren't automatically approved just cause you paid for it. A custom lineage is one that you get to design with perks that you get to decide. They can be as strong as what you presume to be the best lineage available, or they can be just as weak as the weakest one. What I'm trying to say is that custom lineages shouldn't be automatically considered to be the strongest lineage available, especially since we try our best to look over everything and balance accordingly.

Panda wrote:Well apparently I forgot to address or make some things clear even though I've repeated some of it.

-Not all lineages are meant to be equal in power, if they were there would be no point in rolling for a lineage. It's a luck based system, otherwise we could just have everybody choose their lineages. Also there would be no reason for the 200,000 jewel re-roll if every single lineage was a good one.

-I already have an administrator balancing and working out the lineages. It's not as simple as everybody makes it out to be - so please don't push.

-Custom lineages are always balanced and checked before added. Some have even taken days for us to look over, they aren't automatically approved just cause you paid for it. A custom lineage is one that you get to design with perks that you get to decide. They can be as strong as what you presume to be the best lineage available, or they can be just as weak as the weakest one. What I'm trying to say is that custom lineages shouldn't be automatically considered to be the strongest lineage available, especially since we try our best to look over everything and balance accordingly.

So basically what I interpret from what Seijin has now said is "The lineages range from awesome to 'fools gold', having a variety of good, bad and ugly lineages is what makes the system work the way it does."

So in other words, rather than pic apart the lineages, lets clarify what some of them do. For example, Armored Beast... I still have no idea what my own Lineage does, and I've asked people like Zack to clarify and I still don't know.

Seijin (Sacred Library) wrote:Armoured Beast:
Description: A humanoid monster was said to live in a small village in Fiore. The monster was said to be intelligent, yet strong. However, despite holding the intelligence of a human, it was shunned for it's hideous figure, which lead to it crafting it's own armour to hide it. Eventually the armoured beast rescued a princess in distress and they fell in love, eventually settling down and making a family. Their children, however, didn't have a hideous appearance of their father, but were prodigy at war, and wore armour fit for conquerors.
Ability: A passive defensive ability that allows the user to have a higher endurance, tolerance and a keener intellect than most others.
Usage: Passive ability that effects the user.

So I think rather than picking apart the lineages, let's just clarify.



And sorry Seijin if i misinterpret your words.

I have a feeling that lineages like Armored Beast can be better clarified when the stat system comes out. Perhaps lineage clarification and the stat system should come out at the same time.

I am not arguing different levels of power Panda, I am asking to make all lineages relevant. Of course there will be some that are more powerful than other, but then you have utterly useless ones. No lineage should ever be completely useless. I am not suggesting nerfing anything, what I am suggesting is have them scale by level. Will there be difference in power? Yes. Will you still get lousy luck and get a power you don't want? Of course.

What I am fixing is to make sure none of the lineages can be called utterly useless. I am also proposing to help as well as Kira and Indar. It is much faster if mods did heavy lifting and an admin reviewed and tweaked.

So how about I propose a compromise of sorts. Let us do 5 lineages as kind of a trial run, if you or any admins don't like the changes then I'll drop it and move on. I'll defer to your judgment regardless if yes or no.

Heero's jewel count, lol

I have stated this before and gave opinions on one or two sections. They are being worked on.