Question Thread

I'll clarify (Sorry about being rude, this is the second time I've written this response.) I was wondering that if I made spells that are assigned to specific takeover spells, so would those takeover spells only get one of the three options between active, passive, and Passive buff, if I did something like that? My reason for this is I tried making a Takeover magic before with said assigned extra spells tied to full takeovers, back with my other character about 6 months ago. The mod at the time said the takeover spells, which would be the ones giving the active, passive, and passive buff, could only have one of the three due to having those spells not being takeover magic.
I was wondering if that was still the rule.
Lilim

I have two questions...

1) How do I indicate to my grader that a summon is a grande summon?

2) Is there a cap to what rank an immaculate summon can be?

Thank you in advance for the help. =)

Lilim wrote:I'll clarify (Sorry about being rude, this is the second time I've written this response.) I was wondering that if I made spells that are assigned to specific takeover spells, so would  those takeover spells only get one of the three options between active, passive, and Passive buff, if I did something like that? My reason for this is I tried making a Takeover magic before with said assigned extra spells tied to full takeovers, back with my other character about 6 months ago. The mod at the time said the takeover spells,  which would be the ones giving the active, passive, and passive buff, could only have one of the three due to having those spells not being takeover magic.
I was wondering if that was still the rule.
Lilim

Yes, that is still the rule for them.

Ruvel wrote:I have two questions...

1) How do I indicate to my grader that a summon is a grande summon?

2) Is there a cap to what rank an immaculate summon can be?

Thank you in advance for the help. =)

1) Simply state somewhere in the spell that it's a Grande.

2) Nope, no cap.

That's disappointing to hear, but thank you for your input.
Lilim

Some lineages allow for additional spells, I will be asking for this on my main account but are specifying that they will be summons. This has me wondering, since you can give up a spell slot per rank to add an additional passive or active to a summon per rank; would this also be allowed if the summons were added spells via a lineage.

That actually is not how it works. That can not increase the abilities of a normal summon, just the signature ones, and it can only be done once per summon not per rank.

When the new magic rules were released you had been allowed to sacrifice lower ranked spells for higher rank spells. Is this still the case?

So, I have no idea if this ancient thread is still in use and being watched, but I'm currently not in the Discord so I'll just see what happens :'D Chances are this was all covered in the Discord already so, uh, sorry for repeated questions if that is the case.

Firstly, I do want to say thank you and that I appreciate the effort that goes into clarifying things in those rules for the memberbase. I know how much of it was a bit confusing and not worded or clarified well beforehand. That said, I now have to nitpick it a little since I'm a little confused on the Multi-Target clarifications.

Part 1:

I have noticed in recent gradings of others that it has been commonly asked to put a number of targets for the healing and buffs and such. I actually really wanted this clarification to be added to the rules but I think it is still pretty vague, hence my question. Exactly how many targets is acceptable? Like with the Effect clarifications that added the numbers each rank could have, shouldn't this also have something similar and mentioned in the rules? This apparently needed a limit since these spells started being graded this way, but the limitation values were not set. As it is, I have no idea what number to put because nothing stops me from putting down 200 million regardless of how facepalmingly unrealistic that is. And I definitely do not want to be TOO reasonable and put much lower than I could have gotten. This opens up inconsistency between gradings as well since one person may be allowed to have 4 targets while another 10. This really should be something where everyone is on the same page, and I would think members would actually want to know just how much they can do with their spells instead of guessing. Would likely make it easier on the graders as well maybe. I have no idea on that department. And if it's a matter where any number is acceptable so long as it's actually written down, then I can't really see what the point was in making this change and having to set a number.

Part 2:

Why are only the support variations of Multi-Target spells required to have this limit? Shouldn't the damage side of it have it as well? As someone that uses the damage variants more than the support ones, I am confused on why I do not have to set a certain number of targets or hits. This seems like something that should affect the spell category as a whole and not just picking one side of it. The most I can come up with as a reason is that enemies are capable of dodging the damage variants but allies are probably going to sit there to get in all of the effects.

TLDR:

1. How many targets are acceptable for support multi-target spells? The rules don't clarify this unless I missed it somewhere.
2. Why do only the support spells need to put down a set number of targets affected? Shouldn't this apply to the damage side of the category too?

Samira Nassar wrote:So, I have no idea if this ancient thread is still in use and being watched, but I'm currently not in the Discord so I'll just see what happens :'D Chances are this was all covered in the Discord already so, uh, sorry for repeated questions if that is the case.

Firstly, I do want to say thank you and that I appreciate the effort that goes into clarifying things in those rules for the memberbase. I know how much of it was a bit confusing and not worded or clarified well beforehand. That said, I now have to nitpick it a little since I'm a little confused on the Multi-Target clarifications.

Part 1:

I have noticed in recent gradings of others that it has been commonly asked to put a number of targets for the healing and buffs and such. I actually really wanted this clarification to be added to the rules but I think it is still pretty vague, hence my question. Exactly how many targets is acceptable? Like with the Effect clarifications that added the numbers each rank could have, shouldn't this also have something similar and mentioned in the rules? This apparently needed a limit since these spells started being graded this way, but the limitation values were not set. As it is, I have no idea what number to put because nothing stops me from putting down 200 million regardless of how facepalmingly unrealistic that is. And I definitely do not want to be TOO reasonable and put much lower than I could have gotten. This opens up inconsistency between gradings as well since one person may be allowed to have 4 targets while another 10. This really should be something where everyone is on the same page, and I would think members would actually want to know just how much they can do with their spells instead of guessing. Would likely make it easier on the graders as well maybe. I have no idea on that department. And if it's a matter where any number is acceptable so long as it's actually written down, then I can't really see what the point was in making this change and having to set a number.

Part 2:

Why are only the support variations of Multi-Target spells required to have this limit? Shouldn't the damage side of it have it as well? As someone that uses the damage variants more than the support ones, I am confused on why I do not have to set a certain number of targets or hits. This seems like something that should affect the spell category as a whole and not just picking one side of it. The most I can come up with as a reason is that enemies are capable of dodging the damage variants but allies are probably going to sit there to get in all of the effects.

TLDR:

1. How many targets are acceptable for support multi-target spells? The rules don't clarify this unless I missed it somewhere.
2. Why do only the support spells need to put down a set number of targets affected? Shouldn't this apply to the damage side of the category too?

To touch on your questions, there is no number for targets to allow for a bit of creative freedom when designing these spells. This is precisely the case because the damaging variants of MT spells have no cap. As long as things stay reasonable, there shouldn't be an issue. Since this is a simple change meant for PvP only, the number of targets can always be adjusted however you like in a non-PvP situation, and as you're unlikely to ever be in a PvP situation with more than 2-4 people anyway, I personally do not think this is too impactful.

Support or Defensive variants of MT spells have been subjected to this change because a) the spell cannot be centered on a single target only. As you said, unlike with damaging spells, the target would most likely take all the "hits" of these multi target spells, allowing for a stacking of healing or defenses from a single multi target spell that is potentially limitless and b) damaging MT spells can be avoided at the affected's will since auto-hitting is not allowed. Of course, people are expected to be reasonable, but the possibility is always there for people to take.

Johann wrote:

Samira Nassar wrote:So, I have no idea if this ancient thread is still in use and being watched, but I'm currently not in the Discord so I'll just see what happens :'D Chances are this was all covered in the Discord already so, uh, sorry for repeated questions if that is the case.

Firstly, I do want to say thank you and that I appreciate the effort that goes into clarifying things in those rules for the memberbase. I know how much of it was a bit confusing and not worded or clarified well beforehand. That said, I now have to nitpick it a little since I'm a little confused on the Multi-Target clarifications.

Part 1:

I have noticed in recent gradings of others that it has been commonly asked to put a number of targets for the healing and buffs and such. I actually really wanted this clarification to be added to the rules but I think it is still pretty vague, hence my question. Exactly how many targets is acceptable? Like with the Effect clarifications that added the numbers each rank could have, shouldn't this also have something similar and mentioned in the rules? This apparently needed a limit since these spells started being graded this way, but the limitation values were not set. As it is, I have no idea what number to put because nothing stops me from putting down 200 million regardless of how facepalmingly unrealistic that is. And I definitely do not want to be TOO reasonable and put much lower than I could have gotten. This opens up inconsistency between gradings as well since one person may be allowed to have 4 targets while another 10. This really should be something where everyone is on the same page, and I would think members would actually want to know just how much they can do with their spells instead of guessing. Would likely make it easier on the graders as well maybe. I have no idea on that department. And if it's a matter where any number is acceptable so long as it's actually written down, then I can't really see what the point was in making this change and having to set a number.

Part 2:

Why are only the support variations of Multi-Target spells required to have this limit? Shouldn't the damage side of it have it as well? As someone that uses the damage variants more than the support ones, I am confused on why I do not have to set a certain number of targets or hits. This seems like something that should affect the spell category as a whole and not just picking one side of it. The most I can come up with as a reason is that enemies are capable of dodging the damage variants but allies are probably going to sit there to get in all of the effects.

TLDR:

1. How many targets are acceptable for support multi-target spells? The rules don't clarify this unless I missed it somewhere.
2. Why do only the support spells need to put down a set number of targets affected? Shouldn't this apply to the damage side of the category too?

To touch on your questions, there is no number for targets to allow for a bit of creative freedom when designing these spells. This is precisely the case because the damaging variants of MT spells have no cap. As long as things stay reasonable, there shouldn't be an issue. Since this is a simple change meant for PvP only, the number of targets can always be adjusted however you like in a non-PvP situation, and as you're unlikely to ever be in a PvP situation with more than 2-4 people anyway, I personally do not think this is too impactful.

Support or Defensive variants of MT spells have been subjected to this change because a) the spell cannot be centered on a single target only. As you said, unlike with damaging spells, the target would most likely take all the "hits" of these multi target spells, allowing for a stacking of healing or defenses from a single multi target spell that is potentially limitless and b) damaging MT spells can be avoided at the affected's will since auto-hitting is not allowed. Of course, people are expected to be reasonable, but the possibility is always there for people to take.

Thank you for taking the time to answer and clarify as always. ^^

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