Allowing slayers to become first gen from second gen.

Note: I had a suggestion topic up already on this, but either because of me not being able to express my ideas clearly or people misreading(or a mix of both), I am making a re-do of it which should be more clearer. Also when responding to this thread please make sure it relates to it, I don't want this to be taken off topic.

But, I think those with slayer larcimas should be allowed to be considered first generation without having the free position open. This would be done by having a position slot open on their ViP status(and would require a ViP status in general) and a slayer larcima. They say on their slayer magic app that they are using the ViP status for the larcima to be considered first generation and there. They can only be first gen of whatever the slayer larcima they used was, and if they do this then they cannot apply for a free slayer spot.

The only purpose that this would have is if someone wanted to say plot wise that they are first generation or they want to become a third generation slayer. However if they do my suggestion and want to be a third gen slayer, then they still need the same type slayer larcima for it. Again this is a minor addition and I think would not change too much while offering a little more freedom.

System isn't broke, it doesn't need to be fixed.

Who says fixing anything? Just improving which is never bad. Not all change is negative.

Not all change is needed and by now it should be clear that Seijin isn't going to change the slayer thing since it makes money for the site.

Mashyuu wrote:Not all change is needed and by now it should be clear that Seijin isn't going to change the slayer thing since it makes money for the site.

Well it is a idea that can help our current slayer pool be more diverse, since this would allow more then the max 30 of first gens from the current set up. Also it is actually more expensive to become a first gen slayer through this method since it requires you to have a slayer larcima before hand and a ViP status, in contrast to something free but limited if you want first gen normally. This idea again is more for the diversity of slayers rather then more in general, and can actually generate more revenue since someone with the luck to have a slayer larcima might buy ViP status for the right to be called first gen or go for third gen(not to mention they still need to have a second slayer larcima of the same type too!).

But again it's a minor change, I don't see nor intend for this idea to drastically change the slayer system or drastically change the revenue system of the site. If anything it gives you a little more to do with the whole "applying for position" perk of ViP status.

weretiger5411 wrote:

Mashyuu wrote:Not all change is needed and by now it should be clear that Seijin isn't going to change the slayer thing since it makes money for the site.

Well it is a idea that can help our current slayer pool be more diverse, since this would allow more then the max 30 of first gens from the current set up. Also it is actually more expensive to become a first gen slayer through this method since it requires you to have a slayer larcima before hand and a ViP status, in contrast to something free but limited if you want first gen normally. This idea again is more for the diversity of slayers rather then more in general, and can actually generate more revenue since someone with the luck to have a slayer larcima might buy ViP status for the right to be called first gen or go for third gen(not to mention they still need to have a second slayer larcima of the same type too!).

But again it's a minor change, I don't see nor intend for this idea to drastically change the slayer system or drastically change the revenue system of the site. If anything it gives you a little more to do with the whole "applying for position" perk of ViP status.

Even though there's... nothing really different from being First and Second Gen...

^ This.

Heavens Empress Daiki wrote:

weretiger5411 wrote:

Mashyuu wrote:Not all change is needed and by now it should be clear that Seijin isn't going to change the slayer thing since it makes money for the site.

Well it is a idea that can help our current slayer pool be more diverse, since this would allow more then the max 30 of first gens from the current set up. Also it is actually more expensive to become a first gen slayer through this method since it requires you to have a slayer larcima before hand and a ViP status, in contrast to something free but limited if you want first gen normally. This idea again is more for the diversity of slayers rather then more in general, and can actually generate more revenue since someone with the luck to have a slayer larcima might buy ViP status for the right to be called first gen or go for third gen(not to mention they still need to have a second slayer larcima of the same type too!).

But again it's a minor change, I don't see nor intend for this idea to drastically change the slayer system or drastically change the revenue system of the site. If anything it gives you a little more to do with the whole "applying for position" perk of ViP status.

Even though there's... nothing really different from being First and Second Gen...

No there is not, I believe I said already the only use this would have is if someone would prefer to be first gen slayer in their character's story or wanting to be a third gen slayer. Again it's a minor addition so I don't think it would drastically change anything if added.

I feel that over diversifying the slayer pool kind of takes away from the point of even having spots to begin with. It shouldn't be that diverse and this seems like it's just going to complicate things without a lot of real benefit. Also, if there's a potentially unlimited number of first gens, it becomes a bit of a canonical issue as they are suppose to be rare. It's fine for there to be a lot of 2nd gens as they are circumventing the usual methods with science, but the occurrence of someone being trained by a god/dragon/demon shouldn't be happening every other day.

You can have a slayer lacrima and be trained by the respective elemental thing you're slaying.

Example: you have the Shadow Dragon Slayer lacrima, you can choose to at some point go forth and attempt to find a shadow dragon and be trained by them. You might not know how to use this lacrima and seek the assistance of the very thing it is meant to slay, or you could be taught by others who have similar slayer magic.

Another example: Aether Lepan, my character, was trained by Ardere, the Flame God Slayer, to learn how to harness the powers of God Slaying magic. During his training he was also instructed and critiqued by Nathir, the Demon God of Bone whos memories and spirit reside within the Lacrima that was planted within him. He had no knowledge of how to use the lacrima or the power that it held until Ardere showed him, Nathir who resides within the lacrima helped him hone his abilities.

In short: You can plot your way into being trained by the ones you wish to slay with your magic, but that will not lead you to becoming a third generation. It will only teach your character to become stronger.

In truth I think allowing even more people to be third gen is perhaps not the greatest idea. Third gen can be pretty powerful. However, I also don't see why two lacrima shouldn't be able to provide something similar to a third gen, if with a different name.

I think 30 slayers is more than enough. If we took every active member on site thats probably like 50% of our active population or something. I don't think we need diversity here. What might be interesting is if we had OTHER purchasable positions that aren't slayers.

Dmitry wrote:I feel that over diversifying the slayer pool kind of takes away from the point of even having spots to begin with. It shouldn't be that diverse and this seems like it's just going to complicate things without a lot of real benefit. Also, if there's a potentially unlimited number of first gens, it becomes a bit of a canonical issue as they are suppose to be rare. It's fine for there to be a lot of 2nd gens as they are circumventing the usual methods with science, but the occurrence of someone being trained by a god/dragon/demon shouldn't be happening every other day.

Ammon wrote:In truth I think allowing even more people to be third gen is perhaps not the greatest idea. Third gen can be pretty powerful. However, I also don't see why two lacrima shouldn't be able to provide something similar to a third gen, if with a different name.

I think 30 slayers is more than enough. If we took every active member on site thats probably like 50% of our active population or something. I don't think we need diversity here. What might be interesting is if we had OTHER purchasable positions that aren't slayers.

Agreeing with these two things.

Ammon wrote:In truth I think allowing even more people to be third gen is perhaps not the greatest idea. Third gen can be pretty powerful. However, I also don't see why two lacrima shouldn't be able to provide something similar to a third gen, if with a different name.

I think 30 slayers is more than enough. If we took every active member on site thats probably like 50% of our active population or something. I don't think we need diversity here. What might be interesting is if we had OTHER purchasable positions that aren't slayers.

Hes not saying to add more slayers; hes saying that if they have a lacrima and vip can be considred first gen instead of second.This would be mostly for story purposes though yes admittedly you can be trained by a dragon/god/demon regardless. As said elsewhere this would be a minor addition.

Dmitry wrote:I feel that over diversifying the slayer pool kind of takes away from the point of even having spots to begin with. It shouldn't be that diverse and this seems like it's just going to complicate things without a lot of real benefit. Also, if there's a potentially unlimited number of first gens, it becomes a bit of a canonical issue as they are suppose to be rare. It's fine for there to be a lot of 2nd gens as they are circumventing the usual methods with science, but the occurrence of someone being trained by a god/dragon/demon shouldn't be happening every other day.

Sorry bout double posting though didnt know how to edit it in first post. Anyway would like to remark on second part how someone pointed out recently people rp with gods/dragons/demons enough to make them common or at least rare at this point.Also since we dont have any set site trainers if took personal character history into sites we'd probably have like 10 fire dragons around and 7 water gods. Not even taking in facts people with god/demon charaters or even some people with dragon as pets.

Knight of Zero wrote: Sorry bout double posting though didnt know how to edit it in first post. Anyway would like to remark on second part how someone pointed out recently people rp with gods/dragons/demons enough to make them common or at least rare at this point.Also since we dont have any set site trainers if took personal character history into sites we'd probably have like 10 fire dragons around and 7 water gods. Not even taking in facts people with god/demon charaters or even some people with dragon as pets.

Who made the other water gods!!!!

Also speaking from the point of a slayer having someone else become first gen ic would be an annoyance. 1st and 2nd gen slayers have no difference really. Which makes it bad enough when you run into someone using the exact same magic as you. 30 slayers alone is enough slayers adding in lacrima slayers it becomes a mind field.

Honestly I think there should be more of a distinction between 1st and 2nd gen slayer. While there is no distinction, it should not matter even ic wise what generation slayer you call yourself. If the character wishes to train some how and call themselves a 1st gen. Why don't they do just that. OC it would still be counted as second gen.

IC my character doesn't even call himself the first gen Earth Slayer, he is just the Dragon Slayer of Earth.

Adding more first gens would make the whole system obsolete, and take away the asthetic of being a first gen. I know this site is non-canon, but there are still things we keep with the series. Slayers in general are supposed to be rare. Even so, there wouldn't be a need to change the current system for this. The only difference between first and second gens are their history. And like others say, you can easily make your char's history to be trained by whatever you want.

No change is really needed for this.