GM group control

I think it's time Guild Masters be given back control of their respective groups, to add and remove members.

The current list of Guild Masters are pretty well trusted individuals (If I do say so myself.) and it takes quite a load off admins when members are switching guilds to have that many extra people around capable of doing a simple job.

You'd think it'd be common sense.   Not to mention it doesn't take away anything from the admins,  who are still able to add and subtract group members regardless.

But one character that IC had a destroy all humans complex getting into Fairy Tail and suddenly it's a no go.   Which is an In Character matter.  Not to mention that that is just personality.  How one acts or masks their activities is again, all IC.


So long as it was made clear that a character application needs to be approved first,  which itself isn't even relevant to being added to a/the group,  then there's really no issues.  

There's just outright no reason to withhold color-giving ability,  except perhaps in specific cases where someone abuses it and goes on a color-tossing spree.  Which is unlikely,  and very easy to correct if it happens. (People can leave a color / group on their own.)

When I was running the Zuo Show being able to hand out LS colors directly was very useful. I know it made my day when I could see new members in the cbox get excited about their new found colors. If someone abuses it it is an easy fix, it is VERY easy to find who did it(I mean since they basically sign their name by giving someone their guild colors), and such an abuse could easily be taken care of by removing individual permissions. Blanket solutions like taking away ALL GM's color powers always hit well behaving users worse then abusers. I endorse this movement.

I mean the permission is tied to individuals right, I don't remember there being a Guild Master usergroup? That being the case it becomes easy to take it out of the hands of anyone who can't handle the power, while leaving it in the hands of those who can handle it.

I can get behind this. However, I think that perhaps before adding them there should be a check to make sure they've been approved.


Or there is another radical idea: make it so staff can add the colour (not just admins. I'm sure this should be possible) that way when they approve an app they can automatically go and add the colour.

Speed Demon Zack wrote:I can get behind this. However, I think that perhaps before adding them there should be a check to make sure they've been approved.


Or there is another radical idea: make it so staff can add the colour (not just admins. I'm sure this should be possible) that way when they approve an app they can automatically go and add the colour.

Or GM's themselves could approve relevant apps.

Especially for Invite Only guilds, where the GM's approval is necessary to begin with.

As Marshy has stated it was removed due to abuse of adding people before their character was approved and also if the character was not, I guess, fit for the guild.

It is true that it would be useful, but one sour apple can ruin the entire experience and make it so that the person taking a bite will not want to take another bite. (Me and my metaphors)

And then one sour apple can have their privileges removed. There isn't a Guild Master usergroup, that power is given out to individuals.

Goddess Alyia wrote:As Marshy has stated it was removed due to abuse of adding people before their character was approved and also if the character was not, I guess, fit for the guild.

It is true that it would be useful, but one sour apple can ruin the entire experience and make it so that the person taking a bite will not want to take another bite. (Me and my metaphors)

It shouldn't be important in the first place. It's a complete nonissue whether someone gets their colors first or not, and a GM would nine times out of ten have a much better understanding of what is going on than a foreign admin who just jumped in on the matter. Such as a character having IC motivations for being somewhere and acting to those ends. Unless that mage is a public problem there's no cause at all for them to be denied entry into a guild unless there is other barriers to entry, which a GM would know better, such as a guild only allowing mages of a certain element or who have done something specific IC or passed some test.

That aside, a blanket punishment to all is ridiculous. Like banning all apples because you ate one you disliked.

One child played with the classroom item incorrectly, all the teachers did was take away that item so said child could not play with it wrongly again. All children in the classroom now have to suffer because of the child's poor choice in manners.

This is not a class room this is a website. You can take away the thing from the bad kid without taking it from the good kids.

I'm actually with Kira and Eris on this one. The person who messed up isn't even a G.M. any more and if I remember correctly has caused problems on site in the past. But letting G.M.'s have the ability to do something as silly and simple as change name colors to reflect a member being in a guild shouldn't really be an issue. Admins can always go in and change something if it's that big of a deal but they really can't keep up with what's going on as is. Why not let others take a little off their plates?

I'm with Kira and Eris as well, as taking something away from everyone due to one person doing something wrong, is quite weird and it's not how it works even in classrooms. You punish the one who did something wrong, not everyone else who uses the same thing.

Eris wrote:

Speed Demon Zack wrote:I can get behind this. However, I think that perhaps before adding them there should be a check to make sure they've been approved.


Or there is another radical idea: make it so staff can add the colour (not just admins. I'm sure this should be possible) that way when they approve an app they can automatically go and add the colour.

Or GM's themselves could approve relevant apps.

Especially for Invite Only guilds,  where the GM's approval is necessary to begin with.

I much agree with the bold
To be honest, I'd rather guilds handle their own character creation applications.
I was on a site where factions dealt with their own character creation applications mainly so:
1) They know who's coming into their faction
2) For Invite-Only Guilds, the GM knows who wants to join or not and can say "yay" or "Nay"
3) Can invite player to skype chat
4) Gives Mods a break.

One way to make this easier is to have the player put the name of their faction in the subject line and let the guilds handle their own character creation. And if they don't get to the character creation, then the person may get tired of waiting and they'll go to another guild. *shrugs* Artificial Selection I guess.

Lynn wrote:I am agreeing with this. We have a lot of mods on the site now, too, which means that they could keep an eye on it for a trial period until all current GMs can be trusted, so if anything funny happens they should be able to find out and handle it accordingly.

Also this:

Elijah wrote:You punish the one who did something wrong, not everyone else who uses the same thing.

We have a lot of mods yes but only 1/3 actually do anything. GM control should be with the GM.

The problem is, GM's are not Mods. Sure the Character Application is super easy, but there is still some that are denied by some stupid means.

So would this entitle that GM's could grade ALL applications? What about GM's that are on vacation like Shuhei. Obviously that's a whole weekend of apps for his guild. What about guildless?

I agree with the color control, but approving apps is a step too far. Only reason why I agree with color control, is cause I still have yet to be colored ( but my gm having color control wouldn't help either cause he is in the hospital )

Half the current guild masters have been mods or admins at one point or another.

Kanix, IQ, Chaotic(He's BP GM now right?), Hikari, Ardere, Elyx, Harrigan, Izayuki and that's just the current ones. Past GMs that have been staff include but are not limited to:
Zeno, Zenshin, Myself, Heero, Kakuma, Aegis, Legacy, Lyserg, Kihia and Alyia.

Okay I may have counted like two cbox mods but that's beside the point.

Guild Masters are particularly well qualified individuals, and the point isn't to force them to grade all apps; but rather give the power to help mods with just character apps of people applying to their own guilds. This will let them take welcoming new members into their own hands, speed up the application process, and legal guild masters can stop any inevitabilty-going-to-become-dark-mages from joining their guilds.

So what about those that apply, and go through the process of putting the link up in the approval thread just to wait a week, but another newb comes on and is instantly approved. There is just alot of gray area with that idea.

Um. Since my name is being thrown around.

- For the record all I ever did was add people to Fairy Tail when they asked to be added. Or when they made a final decision.

- Or when I noticed a pending App with Fairy Tail at the bottom.....to try and take some of the load off of the Admins. That's what I get for being helpful eh?

If you can't handle these two things.

1. If someone asks Eris or Nimbus to add them. (Or any GM)

2. If they notice a pending App with their Guild at the bottom.

Then don't bother restoring the powers to the GMs.

On topic, these powers should definitely be restored to GM's. I'm sorry if I was the reason the powers were removed in the first place, but...I never really did anything. You guys are like painting this awful picture. In my opinion. Peace out. Love you guys.

Making GMs partially responsible for character apps could work. Though I think we'd need to change the 'character approval' thread to indicate the guild or maybe make a seperate one for each guild.