VIP Prices

This has been pushing my buttons for a while but I think that the VIP shop needs to be 'fixed', or edited, rather.

• The prices are ridiculous.
  
  You are not pressed to donate money to the site or highly encouraged, in fact, it's up to you whether you contribute money or not. But I think it's fair to say that the majority of the community who donates money does it for the CC (Cosmic Coins). And it's a pretty fair system of currency. One USD is equivalent to one CC, and just like any other currency, after the amount of CC you have reaches a certain value, you can purchase items in the VIP Shop. My problem is the prices. Or rather, "Quality and Quantity"
  
  The first tier of statues (Regular Status) offers three things: 80,000j, -350 EXP, and Access to applying to DeS/GS (Demon Slayer/God Slayer) positions. My only problem with this is that you have to pay for access to applying for overrated positions (They may be overrated but still badass) that are only distinctly different from Dragon Slayers. Shouldn't people be able to apply for things like that without paying that much? All I ask is that you lower the price or default it so everyone can apply.
  
  As for the second tier (Knight Status), only two problems. In that status, you are given 500,000j, Artifact/Ethereal x1, Glow, and VIP priority. The last one is completely useless. How will this benefit us OOC or IC? Is it just another word to call us special or are we just found notable when we apply for the things we have to pay for? If you're gonna make us pay 50$ for something, at least make it worth 50$. Meaning, replace the VIP Priority with something else, give us more stuff, give us more of everything, or lower the price. (It's twice the price of the Regular Status but twice the useless things!)
  
  Third tier (Dragon Status), it offers DS Lacrima x1, Glow, Artifact/Ethereal x2, 850,000j, Chatbox Icon. 100$ for all that. Not only is it just adding one more item from the previous tier, this is not 100$ worth of stuff. I should at least be given over 1 Million Jewels at this point, not 150$ later. And only one DS Lacrima? All that money for one DS Lacrima? And there isn't a legit reason for you not being able to have it be a GS/DeS Lacrima seeing as you automatically paid for access to that. Oh, but there's more... a chatbox icon. Frankly, you should be able to pay for these things individually. Not spend so much money for things as simple as a glow or chatbox icon.
  
  Fourth tier (Demon/God Status)... it's literally the same thing only with more jewels and ONE DeS Lacrima. Excuse my language, but honestly, what the fuck? Like I said, you should be given the option to choose what lacrima status you want and not pay another 150$ for those options (DS, GS, DeS).
  
  Fifth tier (Mythical Status). Okay. I'm sorry, but...
  
  How the hell did we jump from 250$ to 500$?......
  
  Username Effect (Example: Sparkles/Flames), Glow, Artifact/Ethereal x2, Custom Slayer Lacrima x1, 5,450,000 Jewels, Chatbox icon, is everything you get for paying 500$! Not only do you have to wait until you pay half a grand to choose what type lacrima you want you get an amount of jewels that is pretty low. "Shohei, 5million+ Jewels is awesome!" Sure it is, but that's not even enough to pay for a guild. If 1 USD equals 15,000j, multiply that by 500 and you'll get 7,500,000 million jewels. Sure, that isn't enough to buy a guild but it sure is more than 5 million! In fact, they should add more than 7 million purely because we're paying half a grand for this stuff. So in summary, this is what it is...
  
  Half a grand to make your name look nice, make it glow, actually have options with your lacrima, have less than the needed amount to pay for a guild, and some easily obtainable weapons and items. That's all I have to say for the status. Now... the bundles.
  

• This is actually very simple. The Jewel Bundle contradicts itself. If 1 USD equals 15,000j, then wouldn't 50$ worth of jewels amount to in the 750,000j in the Knight VIP Status and not 500,000j?...
  
  That and the EXP bundles, I think there should be a system much like the 1 USD = 15,000j thing, though, with EXP instead. I mean, if you make people pay so much for some glows, might as well make'em pay for EXP.
  

Sorry for the rant, but these is all kind of BS...

Although I agree with this in practically every regard -- I just don't see this as something you can bring to attention/compromise.

I mean, this is how the site makes money. It's not a roleplaying mechanic put into question (which is what I normally see in discussions).

In order to change this staff would need Seijin's permission as its his site and these are the prices he has set.

As for the jewels = coins bit it wouldn't be exactly the same as
15,000 jewels - 1 usd

After all you get other stuff with it.

Still I could see them being adjusted slightly.

I don't see things like slayer usage being changed though

The donation system is absolutely an issue that's always been well overlooked.   It's always been a problem but it's relatively set in stone and something purely for Seijin to decide.   Are the heavy prices necessary?  I doubt it,  having run forumotion forums myself on smaller scales, but who knows if the prices increase massively with a larger population like this.  Even so the pay off is very very... inefficient.

But, hey.  It's been that way for over a year with very little active complaints,  this is the first suggestion topic I've seen on it.

the main thing I have a problem with here is the  lack of ability to get slayer lacrimas or apply for positions. I completely understand why prices are what they are, but why must you bar the average population from accessing a set of positions that could be really fun to roleplay. I suggest maybe having lacrimas available to be bought for jewels (of course for a hefty price), and maybe creating a lower VIP tier (10$ or so) that gives access to DeS/GS positions.

Corliss wrote:the main thing I have a problem with here is the  lack of ability to get slayer lacrimas or apply for positions. I completely understand why prices are what they are, but why must you bar the average population from accessing a set of positions that could be really fun to roleplay. I suggest maybe having lacrimas available to be bought for jewels (of course for a hefty price), and maybe creating a lower VIP tier (10$ or so) that gives access to DeS/GS positions.

If there is one thing I'm not disputing,  it's the necessity to provide some sort of gate to applying for more slayer positions.   They go so fast and everyone is always clamoring for the spots it feels like and cobbling together silly concepts or bending characters just to try to excuse obtaining one.

I wouldn't mind even more severe restrictions on slayer positions,  not monetary but time on the forum, posts,  job activity,  site participation,  ect.   Perhaps even a Grace / Probation period for irresponsible vs responsible handling of positions, as a means to discourage people from hopping around positions so casually.

The thing is, despite whatever is done with these, if anything at all, the fact of the matter on slayer positions is there's abused by everyone. Anyone who wants to snatch up an element, be it a lower leveled on such as downgrading from a Demon Slayer to a Dragon Slayer (Like Heero for example), or to jump up from say fire DS to for GS. The fact of the matter really lies in that people despite what the rules are, if one to add in a time from when a person can't apply for another position for an extent of time were to arise, well then it would simply show that a person should learn to enjoy a position.

Onto Lacrima; Yeah sure they only come via events, IOTM (Item of the Month), and VIP status, but that in it of itself is fine the way it is. Hell, some people don't even want a lacrima as it doesn't rightfully affect them or interest them. So what do they do? They can sell them for jewels to another person! It's rare to happen, but that also keeps the entirety or at the least a vast majority of the site from running around being able to eat elements. Otherwise, we may as well just make it a passively added ability to every mage.

Lastly, the prices are rather fine. Though I do agree once you hit a certain point the gaps become pretty extensive, but when you look at the types of amounts compared to what each coin would give you, then you make out better than you would for simply the jewels. Consider it a bundle from which you can get more things out of it than anything else. And as mentioned, you can easily just sell the lacrima should you not want it, give it to an alt, and even the artifacts/ethereals can be sold to other people as well, so there's no real problem in having to let others pick and choose what to nitpick at, in my opinion at least.

Lady Red wrote:

Corliss wrote:the main thing I have a problem with here is the  lack of ability to get slayer lacrimas or apply for positions. I completely understand why prices are what they are, but why must you bar the average population from accessing a set of positions that could be really fun to roleplay. I suggest maybe having lacrimas available to be bought for jewels (of course for a hefty price), and maybe creating a lower VIP tier (10$ or so) that gives access to DeS/GS positions.

If there is one thing I'm not disputing,  it's the necessity to provide some sort of gate to applying for more slayer positions.   They go so fast and everyone is always clamoring for the spots it feels like and cobbling together silly concepts or bending characters just to try to excuse obtaining one.

I wouldn't mind even more severe restrictions on slayer positions,  not monetary but time on the forum, posts,  job activity,  site participation,  ect.   Perhaps even a Grace / Probation period for irresponsible vs responsible handling of positions, as a means to discourage people from hopping around positions so casually.

Sasha Martin wrote:The thing is, despite whatever is done with these, if anything at all, the fact of the matter on slayer positions is there's abused by everyone. Anyone who wants to snatch up an element, be it a lower leveled on such as downgrading from a Demon Slayer to a Dragon Slayer (Like Heero for example), or to jump up from say fire DS to for GS. The fact of the matter really lies in that people despite what the rules are, if one to add in a time from when a person can't apply for another position for an extent of time were to arise, well then it would simply show that a person should learn to enjoy a position.

Onto Lacrima; Yeah sure they only come via events, IOTM (Item of the Month), and VIP status, but that in it of itself is fine the way it is. Hell, some people don't even want a lacrima as it doesn't rightfully affect them or interest them. So what do they do? They can sell them for jewels to another person! It's rare to happen, but that also keeps the entirety or at the least a vast majority of the site from running around being able to eat elements. Otherwise, we may as well just make it a passively added ability to every mage.

Lastly, the prices are rather fine. Though I do agree once you hit a certain point the gaps become pretty extensive, but when you look at the types of amounts compared to what each coin would give you, then you make out better than you would for simply the jewels. Consider it a bundle from which you can get more things out of it than anything else. And as mentioned, you can easily just sell the lacrima should you not want it, give it to an alt, and even the artifacts/ethereals can be sold to other people as well, so there's no real problem in having to let others pick and choose what to nitpick at, in my opinion at least.

Regarding both of your complaints on people hopping from position to position like fat kids and ice cream buckets, this is a widely shared complaint. The dev team will begin working on an appropriate, balanced method to solve this issue.

sorry for the late post on this, but ya'll know Seijin had already changed it so that 1$ = 2CC right? its the very first line in red, read the topic, so its not 500$ anymore, it is 250$ and 125$ for the top two.

Uh i don't think thats correct, pretty sure thats the yearly 2 for 1 sale he does every year.

it wasn't there before nor advertised that is is strictly for that 1 day only. May want to check with him now then. Cause that is quite odd.

In my three years here he has always done a 2 for 1 sale on the first of the year. If he had changed them the rest of the thread would have been edited. which leads me to believe its just for that day.

alright, sorry. I mean it should have been removed by now then, but that was just my assumption, especially since not much word about it had come up. Thanks, sorry for all ze confusion then.

I'd like to suggest something about the 250$ and 500$ packages. Honestly, not everyone will want a glow or fancy background thing on their name. Then not everyone would want a lacrima (though that can be sold for Jewel). That essentially makes all that money go down the drain pretty much.

Instead, if someone is going to donate that much money, why not give them a choice on how to build their package? Like say make a list of things to choose from and the donator chooses 4-6 things from that list for their package.

Because for me personally, nearly all the statuses are half useless to me, since I have no need for the glows or really equipment either since there's already a separate way of buying them in the shop and on top of that, I don't need a lacrima either for my character even though I could sell it. But even selling the lacrima wouldn't amount to how much you donated. It nearly amounts to a wasted "good" in the package.

PS - Though I don't agree that a flat amount of EXP would be a good thing for the package either since that is basically making the RP pay-to-win and that isn't something the site staff nor the members want.

Eris wrote:

Corliss wrote:the main thing I have a problem with here is the  lack of ability to get slayer lacrimas or apply for positions. I completely understand why prices are what they are, but why must you bar the average population from accessing a set of positions that could be really fun to roleplay. I suggest maybe having lacrimas available to be bought for jewels (of course for a hefty price), and maybe creating a lower VIP tier (10$ or so) that gives access to DeS/GS positions.

If there is one thing I'm not disputing,  it's the necessity to provide some sort of gate to applying for more slayer positions.   They go so fast and everyone is always clamoring for the spots it feels like and cobbling together silly concepts or bending characters just to try to excuse obtaining one.

I wouldn't mind even more severe restrictions on slayer positions,  not monetary but time on the forum, posts,  job activity,  site participation,  etc.   Perhaps even a Grace / Probation period for irresponsible vs responsible handling of positions, as a means to discourage people from hopping around positions so casually.

Agreeing with corliss on lacrima though would suggest really high price like 500k or a mil. Somewhat agree with this though not on the job and site partcipation. The point of jobs is to make your character stronger and earn you jewels. However im sure theres people  who find jobs to be a drag(I knows there's several out there) and don't aim to be stronger.Seeing how the site likes to be non pvp oriented it shouldn't matter if do a lot of jobs .Plus I don't want it to turn into Vets have priority thing especially if a new writer turns out to be better then the vet(I get this isn't what you're saying but I feel like this can and will happen). For site partcipation that could come out like WS/Sinners were its who grinds the most for combat purposes or is in more events.

Edit:Sorry if chopped up someones post; first time quoting.

Lacrima used to be purchaseable. I'm not sure why that changed. Or at least dragon slayers could.

In terms of the higher levels status I don't see why there are complaints there.

I don't think anyone would ever just splash down these high amounts if they don't want to dish out those high amounts. Unless they've got money to burn.

I'd say the bigger issue is that there is so little to buy with jewels tbh. Once you've got an artefact weapon, armor and item plus an ethereal pet...and then an artefact weapon, armor and item for the pet...and all the spell slots. What is there to buy? An airship that you won't use much?

Should we not introduce more people can buy with jewels. I mean I have a ton of jewels on my account....and I have nothing to buy.

Jobs, which can be for plot of course, become pointless after a while. Oh i'm H rank so I get extra jewels instead of exp. Ok....and what do I do with these extra jewels?

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I would say that adjusting the VIP prices could be possible. However, a custom slayer lacrima is essentially the MOST op item ever.