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    Post by Felicity 16th June 2014, 3:25 am

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    Well, this is quite simple to understand and to be put in the shortest way possible : Extra MP.
    The series had Second Origin as a power that allowed mages to reach new heights with their respective Magic or perform spells and activate abilities, that they would otherwise have trouble with, with ease. Now, on the site, everyone's extremely creative with their spells and has a plethora of abilities in their arsenal. So, even after being fascinated by the concept of Second Origin, I fail to see how it can be implemented in the canon-way.
    However, what if it gives you extra MP instead? So that it gives your character the ability to perform greater feats with their magic (IC-wise, that is. There's no big thing in casting more spells xD)
    I was thinking that this extra MP can be achieved by Training Threads that work in a fashion similar to the Secondary Magic Training. Basically, its 1% MP for 1 post in the Training Thread.
    There's a limitation to how much extra MP you can unlock at each rank and how many posts you'll need to do the same. Goes something like this :

    Mage RankMax. MPNumber of posts
    D10%10 posts
    C15%15 posts
    B20%20 Posts
    A25%25 Posts
    S30% 30 posts

    :: Okay, so there's no H or SS Rank in there. Why, you ask? I feel anything above 30% MP is a bit too much. But, that does not mean H-Ranks or GM's are not allowed to train for the MP, they can do so with 30 posts and achieve the maximum.

    :: The values mentioned in the chart for each rank is the maximum they can achieve; but they can also train for smaller amounts of MP which they see fit.

    :: Also, no one should be able to do a training thread of 1 post and earn 1% MP. Cause, honestly, that's stewpid. Same goes for 5% or any value in between whats mentioned in the chart.

    :: 500 words per post? So, for 10% you're doing 5000 words. Might seem a bit hard, but the pain is worth it. Also, people can put it all in one post if they want to. Because, honestly, some people do not like doing multiple posts and actually see it as a pain.

    :: Personally, I don't like the idea of mentor-system in this; because training like this can be done by a single mage in a secluded area. Its like training in a gym and getting fitter. Its not learning something new like a Secondary Magic.

    :: To decide whether a mage can start his/her Second Origin Training they have to possess atleast one Quality Badge. Badge 1 (Bronze) allows them to train for D and C max. Badge 2 (Silver) for B and A max. Badge 3 (Gold) for S max i.e 30%.

    :: The staff member who takes on the responsibility to look over a Training Thread, ought to have the right to downright deny the Training if they do not find it of worthy quality.

    Yeah, so that's what I came up with. Suggestions and criticisms are most welcome~
    Other Information: Everyone's free to mess with that little chart o.o Cause I have no idea if its reasonable or not, afterall, its just a basic Arithmetic Progression xD


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    Post by Guest 16th June 2014, 3:36 am

    I like this a lot. So long as the thread in question is detailed to a respectable standard as you'd expect from any job, I can't see any issues. The maximum cap of 30% makes sense, since we don't want wizards running around with 150-200% MP XD
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    Post by Zeon 16th June 2014, 3:38 am

    First issue? Word count per post or I will post 30 100 word posts and trainings done.

    Second is just a suggestion, but if solo training then what about just putting a total amount of words needed? That way people decide to do it all in 1 shot or make many posts and piecemeal it.
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    Post by Felicity 16th June 2014, 3:43 am

    Legacy wrote:I like this a lot. So long as the thread in question is detailed to a respectable standard as you'd expect from any job, I can't see any issues. The maximum cap of 30% makes sense, since we don't want wizards running around with 150-200% MP XD

    Thank youuu~ c:

    Zenneth wrote:First issue? Word count per post or I will post 30 100 word posts and trainings done.

    Second is just a suggestion, but if solo training then what about just putting a total amount of words needed? That way people decide to do it all in 1 shot or make many posts and piecemeal it.

    Aye sir. Its been added now.


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    Post by Rosetta Crawford 16th June 2014, 4:15 am

    This is excellent. I really do like it.

    I'm wondering if perhaps we can further add to it. Second origin gives you a greater pool of mana. Perhaps with this pool of mana extra things are possible. For example, spell fusion of your spells uses 50% of your remaining magic power. This is pretty extreme. What if due to having second origin this amount is reduced? That way it makes it seem a bit more canon. For example, after Natsu gained Second origin he was able to use his thunder flame dragon slayer mode more often (if I recall correctly) and be less drained.



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    Post by Zeon 16th June 2014, 4:43 am

    Now I am all for it. Great idea BTW.
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    Post by Kirahunter 16th June 2014, 7:50 am

    I do like this idea. Anything that increases the mana pool and helps makes spell casting superior to weapon usage is fantastic.

    Make us mages not warriors


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    Post by Haru-senpai 16th June 2014, 6:36 pm

    I also support this idea.


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    Post by Sybil 16th June 2014, 8:25 pm

    Aye! You've got my support. All for it~
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    Post by Dave 16th June 2014, 8:29 pm

    I disagree with Kira
    Mages can be both warriors and wizards
    Requip users : The Ultimate Battlemages for example


    But I support this idea! Let there be Second Origin


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    Post by Hiro Villenn 16th June 2014, 9:08 pm

    I think acquiring second origin should be a little more difficult than a little training thread, then everyone can have second origin. But I like the idea.


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    Post by Dave 16th June 2014, 9:16 pm

    3000 words minimum for any kind of boost doesnt seem little to me o.o


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    Post by Hiro Villenn 16th June 2014, 9:22 pm

    I can do three thousand in 3 posts with a little effort. 10 three hundred word posts would be even easier. Just more tedious. Just posting a certain number of words is irrelevant. Thread quality should be taken into account and the characters past achievements on whether he/she should even be allowed to attempt something.

    I just see a lot of times where boring threads get approved simply because they meet a word count and staff members are busy.


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    Post by Zuo Cii 16th June 2014, 9:36 pm

    Shaku wrote:I disagree with Kira
    Mages can be both warriors and wizards
    Requip users : The Ultimate Battlemages for example


    But I support this idea! Let there be Second Origin

    mages can be both. But the way magic power and cooldown are now, Legendary weapons get more use then primary magic.


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    Post by Felicity 16th June 2014, 10:04 pm

    Speed Demon Zack wrote:This is excellent. I really do like it.

    I'm wondering if perhaps we can further add to it. Second origin gives you a greater pool of mana. Perhaps with this pool of mana extra things are possible. For example, spell fusion of your spells uses 50% of your remaining magic power. This is pretty extreme. What if due to having second origin this amount is reduced? That way it makes it seem a bit more canon. For example, after Natsu gained Second origin he was able to use his thunder flame dragon slayer mode more often (if I recall correctly) and be less drained.


    I dunno much about how these Character Perks work, since not many of them have been explained in detail and what I figure out is from their self-explanatory names. If spell-fusion takes 50% of their mana; maybe, for mages who have unlocked their Second Origin, the Spell Fusion MP can be reduced by half of their unlocked Second Origin mana?

    Eg: -A H-Rank mage with 30% MP acquired by unlocking Second Origin.
    -Has 80% MP in a battle and he/she uses Spell Fusion; thus their MP should reduce down to 40%.
    -But, since this mage has Unlocked Second Origin, they'll be left with 55% MP.
    -Why? Because this mage has unlocked Second Origin (SO), 50% of their maximum SO mana is deducted from the spell fusion reduction. 30 percent's half is 15% and that is saved by the mage during spell fusion.
    -All you have to do during spell fusion; 1. Make your current MP half. (Denote as A) 2. Make your SO mana half. (Denote as B) 3. Just add A and B (A+B=Remaining MP)

    I'm not really good with such explanations^ So if you've trouble understanding that^ Feel free to contact me via Skype (Contact page of le profile) or PM. I'll try my best to explain in an easier and less messier way xD


    Hiro Villenn wrote:I can do three thousand in 3 posts with a little effort. 10 three hundred word posts would be even easier. Just more tedious. Just posting a certain number of words is irrelevant. Thread quality should be taken into account and the characters past achievements on whether he/she should even be allowed to attempt something.

    I just see a lot of times where boring threads get approved simply because they meet a word count and staff members are busy.

    Maybe the staff can decide if someone can attempt the Second Origin Training or not?


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    Post by Dave 16th June 2014, 11:05 pm

    Can only do D-C rank if you have quality 1, B-A if 2, S if 3

    That's what I think


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    Post by Felicity 17th June 2014, 2:43 am

    Shaku wrote:Can only do D-C rank if you have quality 1, B-A if 2, S if 3

    That's what I think

    Sounds good to me~


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    Post by Haru-senpai 17th June 2014, 8:20 am

    Actually, on second thought I agree with Hiro. I'll only support this if it's 100YR difficulty or higher. 3000 is too easy.

    (P.S - I still love this. But some things should be exclusive beyond post count.)


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    Post by Janneline Ariel 17th June 2014, 8:33 am

    Heero-sama wrote:Actually, on second thought I agree with Hiro. I'll only support this if it's 100YR difficulty or higher. 3000 is too easy.

    (P.S - I still love this. But some things should be exclusive beyond post count.)

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    I agree with Both Heero and Hiro.

    The idea is great, however.


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    Post by Felicity 17th June 2014, 8:17 pm

    Heero-sama wrote:Actually, on second thought I agree with Hiro. I'll only support this if it's 100YR difficulty or higher. 3000 is too easy.

    (P.S - I still love this. But some things should be exclusive beyond post count.)

    100 Year, huh? Well, I'm taking the Phoenix Fire as an example here, since you made it yourself Heero. It needs a minimum of 100 posts with 300 words each, right? So, that's 30K words. Since the posts I mentioned in the chart are 30 in number; it'll be 1K word count for each post.
    Also, I dunno how you guys are seeing this, but 3K word count is just for 10% mana o.o
    Is it really easy considering the low mana you get? Well, if it is, I'd rather suggest 500 words per post rather than 1000. I just feel that 1K is stretching it a bit (But, personally, I do find it valid. Just thinking about every single user on the site.) Cause, easy; in my humble opinion, is not a real definite term, you know? Like, it changes from person to person. What's easy for me is not necessarily easy for the rest of the world and vice versa. As experienced RPers, most of the people who posted in here are capable of writing a 3K post in a jiffy, I suppose. Same does not go for the people who've just been introduced to RPing and are only eligible for the Quality Badge 1.
    500 makes it 15K words in 30 posts for 30% MP. Sounds fine? Or would you still like 1K per post?

    Once again, I find 1K fine too. >.<""


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    Post by Hiro Villenn 17th June 2014, 8:21 pm

    We just don't believe word count should be the final deciding factor. Have quality be a deciding factor a genuine failure be a possibility.


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    Post by Felicity 17th June 2014, 10:49 pm

    Hiro Villenn wrote:We just don't believe word count should be the final deciding factor. Have quality be a deciding factor a genuine failure be a possibility.

    Agreed. Completely.
    Guess that's left to the staffie who takes a look over the thread~
    Will add this^ (As well as the other suggestions) to the main suggestion once I get back from school o3o


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    Post by Felicity 18th June 2014, 5:51 am

    Changes made to the first post.


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