by Grizzly 11th March 2014, 10:45 am
"I don't feel like the points you made are really... relevant. You seem to be more defending the status quo, or disliking the suggestion because it doesn't effect you personally. It's less about the suggestion being bad, more about how it isn't vital to your play style."
I don't exactly get what you mean by "playing style". If you feel that way, then explain to me why it wouldn't affect my playing style? Do you mean because I haven't been displaying fantasy and lore-related plot with my character up until now? That is simply because I felt that is why my character was suited best for, not what I personally feel I am best at. I do various things, it just that currently my main character is that way.
"The only point of yours that seems applicable is the example of Shuhei's flash step."
I acknowledge that my example of Shuhei's Flash Step wasn't obsolete because of his near full control of it anyway. But that was just ONE example. It doesn't end there. I've looked through many high ranking mages' magic and they all have spells at D-B Rank (The Magic Power consumption of B Rank spells is barely relevant to H Rank mages) that are heavily absuable. It isn't JUST Shuhei's Flash Step. I could make a gigantic list and point out all of the abusable and combatively unnecessary stuff in those spells, but I'd rather that you take my word for it as I, like you, have been here quite a while and know a lot of people's magic and the extent even some low-ranking spells take. I can only repeat, I am of the opinion that it does NOT end at Shuhei's Flash Step but is just a starting point that you have admittedly voided. But again, it's just a starting point.
"I would also then point out that anyone could do nice things in this manner, and is not exclusive to select individuals. Abuse is only Abuse if it is not intended or supported."
This is certainly a fact that you've put out I can't argue. But when it doesn't get abuse, it would turn to use. And now I wonder how the very sparse number of people who actually attempt to PvP would look once characters are enabled to freely wield some powerful spells. I'm just estimating the future here and not creating any factual evidence, but I feel that an educated guess about possible negative aspects is certainly something to consider when thinking about your proposition.
"To what you said about social topics, I don't expressly agree with the idea that all mechanics can be thrown out the window just because it isn't combat anymore."
Then you haven't read correctly. I specifically stated this: "Because that has no place in actual combat. Maybe you haven't thought about it, but in plot-rping, social threads and every NOT combat related you can rp freely and do what you just said as long as you don't go overboard."
NOT GOING OVERBOARD is the keyterm here. Sensible rping. And the problem is, combat is what it is, it is not really about sensibility. When you're doing actual combat, you will want to win. Of course you can argue that being fair about hits and giving the opponent a chance is sensible enough to enable people to wield their magics this freely, but until I accept this argument I AGAIN, want to see some actual PvP go off the stage. I don't feel as I can support this proposition until I am certain that PvP can actually go off without predicaments and issues worth getting angry over ensue. And I can just recall one predicament in the Era thread, where you personally got upset over Warden's power level. You can admittedly argue that your upsetting was validated since your levels of flexibility concerning magic was evidently imbalanced, but then again - up until now that was the only real PvP in which both characters made actual combat and wanted to win. Until I accept you telling me "It won't be that way when stuff is balanced" I want to have actually seen PvP go smoothly. Or actually any real IC combat for that matter.
" For one, as I've tried to say many times now, spamming D-C ranked spells is NOT an issue. Those who will be capable of "spamming" them will have far more effective capabilities, they could do more with their own fist or weak weapon as-is. "spamming" these spells would be a tool for harassment, poking, movement, taking out cannon fodder, and providing more flavor to a fight or general scene. "
Then I feel you do not fully understand the extent some D or C Rank spells can take. Not to mention B Rank spells here which again, barely weigh down on high ranking character's magic power. And even the extent is CURRENTLY not there, I want some way to ensure that FUTURE abuse is made impossible by making D-C Rank spells TRULY weak and not important to high ranking characters. (Do not quote me on this, but I feel that doing that is somewhat unfair to low-ranking mages.)
"Why should a master of the arcane be inhibited by "cooldowns" to a beginner's trick, the same cooldowns said beginner would experience? There is no reasonable answer besides "There isn't". Any other response is just contrived."
Stating that any other response is just contrived seems like leaning out of the window EXTREMELY far. Why? Because when doing things like combat you have to disregard the actual IC positions of some and regard what is fair, and what is sensible. What you write off as contrived is what I personally see as the sense of OOC harmony that we need, the systematic balance that is needed to make things fair and formatted so EVERYONE can take part. Not just those that have enough skill, those that are smart enough, those that are able to rp sensitively.
And in your response you completely ignored the fact that there is currently barely any IC combat. Before something like your proposition happens, I want to at least SEE some people fight IC so an image of what some people do and don't, what is feasible and what is not feasible is created.
PS: I'm not trying to completely invalidate your proposition. In a way, I am for it because I am for free rp. But with the amount of new rp'ers and the LITTLE amount of PvP I've seen, I am just concerned if such a proposition can get implemented without creating chaos for people because they can suddenly do things they couldn't do before and then go overboard. I personally enjoy the idea of being a free'er mage and having more freedom to look forward to, but the side of me that regards the reality of what is currently on the forum is looking at it from a different perspective. I apologize if I come off brash by the way. Saying "it is not my intention" doesn't really do much, so I'll just keep my mouth shut about my intentions and say sorry if I offend you in any way.