Dark Guilds

This is a discussion topic, but it is also a suggestion, so Imma keep it here. 

But the jist of my suggestion is, someone should make a new dark guild. I know we have plenty of guilds, but the legals are double the others anyways, so the only thing it would do is even it out. Someone should make a new dark guild, and highly advertise it. It can be canon like Phantom Lord or Grimoire Heart or whatever you guys want, but it should be done right with some cool plot points. 

If not, then we really need to advertise these dark guilds. I keep hearing about plans for dark guilds, but I don't see too much and it's been a while since I was told that. BF and SS are trying, but there's only so much you can do with a limited member count. We don't just need existing members to go dark, we need to encourage new members as well. I've been on several FT sites, and the villains are always somewhat lesser in numbers than the heroes, but not by this much. 

If you agree or disagree, or even have a better suggestions, feel free to comment.

If Zack ends up going dark, which may happen, I was considering having him form a dark guild or at least gathering dark mages under him.

I have plot reason for it plus it would help even up the power gap between legal and dark.

What about all those girls you got coming for you! Think of the children!

I was planning on making a Dark Guild myself, unfortunately I dun have any moneh or I'm H rank.

I was gonna call the Dark Guild RYOUGI, the existing points in the Yin and Yang (Which is an awesome concept)

T___T And sometimes I just... can't... BEAR THE FACT THAT I'M BROKE ASFK!!!

Unless Hika or Rekka gives me some loot I can make it happen.

How about actually making them more attractive by giving dark mages some benefits? I mean, beside being able to disobey the law and kill (npc)people at random... Something that'd really convince people to say "Oh, now that would make me go dark right away!"?

Don't mean to be rude by saying this.

I just don't see why we need to make a new Dark Guild to publicize the fact or to create an event. Just work on the ones we already have collectively and something is bound to get done. Besides, with the Dark Guild's current inactivity collectively, having them actually do something would basically be the reappearance of a new guild anyway; rather, a re-emergence which seems more exciting to me wholeheartedly.

Merlin: Good luck xD 

Aura: Not a bad idea, I'm just not sure what we can add to make them more appealing. I was kind of hoping people would have some suggestions. I don't like playing dark mages, so I don't know lol

Blood: I don't mean to be rude by saying this, but did you read the second part of my suggestion? xD That's the entire reason I put it there. Our current dark guilds need members and to work on their plots. And I didn't say create an event, I said we need to encourage people to join dark guilds. Which is a thing you can do, I've done it before because I had to. 

I'm just trying to stir up discussion for a solution to this problem, because it is a problem.

@Arde: Well, I couldn't come up with any for the time being, but I'm sure they'll pop up soon. I hope. For starters, what I can think of for now is maybe a Black Market with items only available for Dark mages? And is it allowed for dark guilds to eg. raid a small village, making it some kind of small-scale 'event'? Seeing as how most Dark Guilds have few members they could maybe hook up for a temporary alliance and do a raid of one of the regular villages/cities as to show they're not dead yet? I'd do make it so that the Dark side will win this time...

Not bad o.o That would be interesting. We could also give dark mage jobs more danger/length, but a better reward. Something along those lines.

Dark Guilds can do anything they want. They just gotta do it.

I agree with ya'll, Aura and Ard!

I'd love to see the darks get more spotlight. Right now, yes, the number of heroes is largely overwhelming. I think seeing Grimoire Heart or Phantom Lord- a canon guild, would be really good. People always like to join those that are in canon and somehow feel a bit more, solid, should I say? At least I do.

Tracking this~

.... just realized I'm on my alt. It's Izayuki here~

True that blood. Oh hey yuki. I agree. Let's just hope they get it together.

I was surprised when I first came to this sight that Grimoire Heart wasn't a guild, especially since Tartaros was. While I can't speak for other players, I wouldn't be surprised to see members of basilisk Fang and Savage Skull join a guild like that.

At the same time, I have to wonder if starting a dark guild right now would do anything but weaken the ones we got right now, making all the dark guilds even smaller, including the new one. Still, I definitely for promoting Dark Guilds, though a benefit system might be a slippery slope. I never really liked the idea of a guild's number being built on bonuses and gifts.

As dmitry said with the concept for a reward system for joining... anything, doing so is sketchy. While you may have a few people who join because they want to, you'd have a flock joining just for that reward. Once the reward is obtained, OR once it's no longer available, they'd leave. Or maybe they'll stay because they're too lazy to leave.

Joining a group just for the bonuses doesn't promise activity, and making high activity required would make people do the bare minimum just to keep activity up instead of RP'ing because they want to.


At the moment, bonuses aren't an issue. Look at guildless, we do just fine as a faction.
Our benefits?
We can do dark, neutral, and legal jobs... just like Neutral Guilds.
We can apply for CS/Sinner and RS/WS positions... just like Neutral Guilds...
We can form teams with anyone we want... except... Legal... mages

We have NO aces
We have NO place on the scoreboard
We have only 1 way of attaining H Rank (VIP)
We get NO guild bonuses
We have no benefits really. Guildless is kind of shafted by staff, but we have quite a population and quite a few are active.


The thing is, Dark mages aren't given any attention at all aside from being a peon to some supposedly evil person leading an event where it's predetermined they'd lose. Every time you see a bad guy they get at least 1 win under their belt before losing; but here all the darks just lose. There's no draw, and no minor winning when you're dark. You just lose every single time. This is one of the main reasons no one wants to be dark, cause no one wants to constantly lose. It's like playing a shooter where your team NEVER wins. Either the enemy has higher rank weapons, or they have more players, or you have the worst connection, or your team is garbage and the only thing that replaces them when they finally rage quit is another low level terrible player.

See? The odds are stacked against you in that lobby. So what do YOU do as a dark guilder? Get out the lobby, and find one where you stand a chance. Which just so happens to be neutral or legal lobbies.

What we need is a dark event for dark mages. OR a site wide event where dark mages do something weird and unheard of... WIN -hears the shouts of horror in the crowd-

We've had legal only events several times. We've had legal and neutral only events as well. We should have a dark only, or dark and chaotic neutral only event. Also, for such an event, for the love of all that is unholy... WE SHOULD NOT MAKE THE DARKS THE PEON OF SOME STUPID NPC THEY HAVE NO REASON TO BE COMMANDED BY.


This is my opinion. thanks if you've read this far.

People need to change their mindset on this site, because as a dark mage you can win. You can be stronger than the legals, torture them, blow up their guilds. You just have to get strong and do it. I've seen it happen many times. On the site I was on, we had dark mages who scared the shit out of legals. And dark guilds got no benefits, in fact we had a bounty system on them. It's just people are scared of PvP here for no reason, and you don't even have to do PvP. Dark guild masters can make dark guild only events, or their guilds events. I agree we need events that darkies can participate in, which is what I was working on in the Bosco event before people left. So we need some dark mages to step it up, get stronger, more active, and offer them some more events. Then once they have a stronger base, more people will be encouraged to join dark guilds.

I was going to stay out of this conversation but hey why not put in my two sense. I agree that dark mage's have no benefits on this site and that a guild should never be based on having them. However at the same time the shear number of legals on this site is overwhelming to say the least. So my idea is a recruiting event for gather dark mage's. Also in the process showing the site why being a dark mage could be a good thing. That is my idea as having a new guild in my opinion would like dmitry said weaken the ones we have already.

Fire King Ardere wrote:This is a discussion topic, but it is also a suggestion, so Imma keep it here. 

But the jist of my suggestion is, someone should make a new dark guild. I know we have plenty of guilds, but the legals are double the others anyways, so the only thing it would do is even it out. Someone should make a new dark guild, and highly advertise it. It can be canon like Phantom Lord or Grimoire Heart or whatever you guys want, but it should be done right with some cool plot points. 

If not, then we really need to advertise these dark guilds. I keep hearing about plans for dark guilds, but I don't see too much and it's been a while since I was told that. BF and SS are trying, but there's only so much you can do with a limited member count. We don't just need existing members to go dark, we need to encourage new members as well. I've been on several FT sites, and the villains are always somewhat lesser in numbers than the heroes, but not by this much. 

If you agree or disagree, or even have a better suggestions, feel free to comment.

I can tell you, from the time I joined SS, yeah I know a lot more plots, but I also know a lot more hatred from just existing as well. From petty threats, to even some ooc rumor spreading, and various other things. Though mainly in the cbox, I can see why not many people go to the dark guilds, the lack of kindness from the member base can really be a detriment, though its something one has to get used to I guess.

Another dark guild wont solve anything, just like abolishing half the legal guilds wont solve anything.

That is my 2 cents. Thanks.